Discussion Forum > combining SAF and AF4R
Here's what I really like about this method.
It groups Recurring and New tasks just as effectively as AF4R.
Unfinished and Urgent work -- arguably my "most important" work -- is easy to identify -- it's always on the right-hand page.
If I want, I can focus on Recurring work, which is usually maintenance work of some kind. Cultivating the garden; or, making sure the tree is healthy, using Erik's tree metaphor.
Or I can focus on New work, which tends to be where the fun stuff congregates, the new ideas, the next big thing I need to do; or perhaps the stuff that turns out to be empty nonsense. In any case, a nice break from the drudgery of Recurring and the resistance-laden Unfinished.
Or I can focus on the Unfinished and Urgent, where my real work usually resides.
And no matter what I'm doing, I am always presented with the really important stuff, in the right column, and can divert my attention for awhile to focus on something there, before returning to my focus-category-of-the-moment.
I like how it's going, but am just not sure the dismissal rules are really effective. Might need to adjust that.
Any input?
It groups Recurring and New tasks just as effectively as AF4R.
Unfinished and Urgent work -- arguably my "most important" work -- is easy to identify -- it's always on the right-hand page.
If I want, I can focus on Recurring work, which is usually maintenance work of some kind. Cultivating the garden; or, making sure the tree is healthy, using Erik's tree metaphor.
Or I can focus on New work, which tends to be where the fun stuff congregates, the new ideas, the next big thing I need to do; or perhaps the stuff that turns out to be empty nonsense. In any case, a nice break from the drudgery of Recurring and the resistance-laden Unfinished.
Or I can focus on the Unfinished and Urgent, where my real work usually resides.
And no matter what I'm doing, I am always presented with the really important stuff, in the right column, and can divert my attention for awhile to focus on something there, before returning to my focus-category-of-the-moment.
I like how it's going, but am just not sure the dismissal rules are really effective. Might need to adjust that.
Any input?
December 7, 2010 at 18:56 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
I like the concept Seraphim I'll think about it some more. One Q: If you work only second-columns, do you dismiss half-pages then?
December 7, 2010 at 19:37 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Hi Alan,
A couple ideas:
(1) Yes, dismiss the items only in the second column.
(2) Following the spirit of Mark's AF4 Revised, perhaps you can skip dismissal during the 2nd Column Only processing step. This would be akin to Mark's skipping dismissal during the Unfinished Work processing step. You'd let the fact that the Unfinished Work is unfinished be your motivation to get it done. However, if you are processing Recurring or New pages, and you dismiss a page, then in this case, you WOULD dismiss the second column also.
I'll play with these ideas and see what comes up and what seems to work.
A couple ideas:
(1) Yes, dismiss the items only in the second column.
(2) Following the spirit of Mark's AF4 Revised, perhaps you can skip dismissal during the 2nd Column Only processing step. This would be akin to Mark's skipping dismissal during the Unfinished Work processing step. You'd let the fact that the Unfinished Work is unfinished be your motivation to get it done. However, if you are processing Recurring or New pages, and you dismiss a page, then in this case, you WOULD dismiss the second column also.
I'll play with these ideas and see what comes up and what seems to work.
December 7, 2010 at 20:12 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
So far, I really, really like this combination. It's working GREAT for me.
I especially like circulating through all the 2nd columns -- I can see quickly the things that are really hot and really need attention now.
And separating out the recurring stuff really helps me see where my time is going.
I am still not sure how the "dismissal" will work, because I have been cranking through so much work and crossing off everything on many pages. This is still the big open question for this method. I'll keep trying it for the next few days and report back.
I especially like circulating through all the 2nd columns -- I can see quickly the things that are really hot and really need attention now.
And separating out the recurring stuff really helps me see where my time is going.
I am still not sure how the "dismissal" will work, because I have been cranking through so much work and crossing off everything on many pages. This is still the big open question for this method. I'll keep trying it for the next few days and report back.
December 9, 2010 at 0:47 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
Any more updates on your combination of AF4R and SF? Mark, are you working on something similar to this?
-David
-David
December 15, 2010 at 22:37 |
David Drake
David Drake
I shouldn't answer for Mark, but 2 days ago he decided to return to AF1.
December 16, 2010 at 0:17 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
I like the idea too. I had nearly the same idea and did it naturally except that i complicated a bit the system with a special page for unfinished items. Finally 2 days ago as i returned to AF1 because i red a very interesting post from Alan i guess i simply draw a column for urgent and unfinished tasks. I was tired of going back 30 times a day on the unfinished page.
These 2 days were really productive and huge I found the Seraphim's system very productive and easy.
Anyway whatever the system is the golden rules to apply seem to be group a BACKLOG, group new tasks little by little, group urgent and unfinished tasks, group recurring tasks, group project pages.
As I do it in a binder and handwriting it's very easy to see how the system evoluates.
These 2 days were really productive and huge I found the Seraphim's system very productive and easy.
Anyway whatever the system is the golden rules to apply seem to be group a BACKLOG, group new tasks little by little, group urgent and unfinished tasks, group recurring tasks, group project pages.
As I do it in a binder and handwriting it's very easy to see how the system evoluates.
December 16, 2010 at 7:22 |
FocusGuy.
FocusGuy.
David:
<< Any more updates on your combination of AF4R and SF? Mark, are you working on something similar to this? >>
I think I'm going to lie low for a bit!
<< Any more updates on your combination of AF4R and SF? Mark, are you working on something similar to this? >>
I think I'm going to lie low for a bit!
December 16, 2010 at 11:20 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Seraphim:
I'm currently using SuperFocus and AutoFocus 4 Revised side-by-side to see what works best for me and I came across this earlier post of yours. I've been asking myself similar questions as to how one could best add SuperFocus' Column 2 to AF4R or how AF4R's task sectioning could be added to SuperFocus. You beat me to it by a year and a half!
Upon review, how did your combo compare to straight SuperFocus?
In other words, if you resumed using SuperFocus or AF4R, would you use either "as is", or would you use your posted combo, or another tweak of either of these?
I'm currently using SuperFocus and AutoFocus 4 Revised side-by-side to see what works best for me and I came across this earlier post of yours. I've been asking myself similar questions as to how one could best add SuperFocus' Column 2 to AF4R or how AF4R's task sectioning could be added to SuperFocus. You beat me to it by a year and a half!
Upon review, how did your combo compare to straight SuperFocus?
In other words, if you resumed using SuperFocus or AF4R, would you use either "as is", or would you use your posted combo, or another tweak of either of these?
August 7, 2012 at 12:30 |
Michael B.
Michael B.
To be perfectly honest, I have no idea! This seems so long ago, I can't remember any of the details.
In general, I found the compulsory nature of the 2nd column eventually led me to abandon SF. C2 just kept getting clogged up and bogged down the whole system.
In general, I found the compulsory nature of the 2nd column eventually led me to abandon SF. C2 just kept getting clogged up and bogged down the whole system.
August 8, 2012 at 18:33 |
Seraphim
Seraphim





But I also really like the control that SAF provides. So here is what I've been trying:
- Two page types: "New Tasks" and "Recurring Tasks"
- Any page can have a second column, for Unfinished and Urgent items
- Standard AF1 / SAF dismissal rules apply -- not AF4-style dismissal
- Add new tasks at the end of the last "New Tasks" page.
- Add newly-identified recurring tasks at the end of the last "Recurring Tasks" page.
Cycle as follows:
- First, process "New Task" pages - ignoring the Recurring pages. You may choose to process anything in the 2nd column on New Task pages while you are doing this, or may ignore the 2nd column. Keep cycling through the New Task pages as long as you want. Use AF1 dismissal rules. If you complete a New Task, cross it out. If you stop before completion, cross it out and re-enter it in the 2nd Column on the same page (or the 2nd column on the next New Task page, if the current page's second column is already full).
- Next, process "Recurring Task" pages. You may choose to process anything in the 2nd column on Recurring Task pages while you are doing this, or may ignore the 2nd column. Keep cycling through the Recurring Task pages as long as you want. Use AF1 dismissal rules. If you *complete* a recurring task (e.g., you empty your email inbox), cross it out and re-enter it at the end of the last Recurring Task page. If you stop before completing a recurring task, then cross it out and re-enter it in the Second Column on the same page (or the 2nd column on the next Recurring Task page, if the current page's second column is already full).
- Next, process only "Second Columns", on both "New Task" pages and "Recurring Task" pages. Ignore the First Columns on these pages. Keep cycling through the "Second Columns" as long as you want. Use AF1 dismissal rules.
- Next, start over by cycling through the "New Pages" again.
I'm not sure the dismissal is working correctly, but overall I like the feel of this and it seems to combine the benefits of AF4R with the control of SAF.