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moises:
<< I cannot claim that there is a causal connection between the dreams exercises and my almost unbelievable fortune. >>
Can't you? Would you have "casually mentioned" your interest to your boss if you hadn't done the exercises? Would you have taken his offer on if you hadn't been wedded to your goal by the exercises?
Opportunities are there all the time, but the object of the exercises is to activate the filtering mechanisms of the brain so that we recognize the opportunities that are relevant to our goals when we see them.
<< I cannot claim that there is a causal connection between the dreams exercises and my almost unbelievable fortune. >>
Can't you? Would you have "casually mentioned" your interest to your boss if you hadn't done the exercises? Would you have taken his offer on if you hadn't been wedded to your goal by the exercises?
Opportunities are there all the time, but the object of the exercises is to activate the filtering mechanisms of the brain so that we recognize the opportunities that are relevant to our goals when we see them.
September 30, 2011 at 21:10 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
moises: Thank you for sharing your story. It's delightful and uplifting, and encourages me. I wish you all the best for the path ahead.
September 30, 2011 at 21:39 |
michael
michael
This brings up a murky interesting area that the entire "Dreams" subject seems to be flirting with.
With a mother that tried every new holistic health solution that came along and a father that is a statistician, I fall in the middle, not skeptically closed, nor blindly follow everything.
There is an aspect to "Dreams" that seems to be potentially about Law of Attraction.
I've read the eBook Desired-Outcomes-Implementation-Technology from Gerry http://www.simple-time-management.com where he talks about Law of Attraction such as The Secret and how it is all bunk. I agree with him in theory. If worked, we'd all be super rich. Another issue about The Secret is what does this mean for those that are sick from cancer, they caused it?
I've explored such techniques long before The Secret. Was not getting any classwork done in college. No matter how I pushed myself, would find a way to screw it up. So then, one night (inspired by some book, long forgotten), just visualized getting it done. And I just magically got it done the next day and from then on.
OK, this falls under visualize and various procrastination methods etc. Nothing magic (just felt that way), but great to use. ( and why do I keep forgetting to use it... another topic )
BUT, there are other cases where it DID feel more magic as moises just posted.
YES, it could be because moises looked at world in different ways, moved different, felt different to boss, spoke up in new way, and things just came together, nothing magic.
I've thought about all these pros and cons, and certainly aware of the problems with self test self fulfilling, research on one (self). Yet there are times that results feel beyond just simple change, they DO seem magic.
I've even set out tests, giving myself hard unlikely things to visualize, such as I will meet this semi-famous person in non easy way (seeing him on street or lecture does not count) and 2 weeks later a work contact I barely knew asked me out to dinner and the famous person was there as well as his other guest. Just the 3 of us and 2 children of my friend. Very odd. Not of any real value, other than to prove that something was working.
Depending on which of my parents I'm channeling, this is either dreams and attraction and such at work OR is just observation of result. Where you only notice when DOES work, and do not notice when does not.
So, not answer with this post. Just questions. And certainly plenty of times when seem to NOT be able to get results in life, but this does raise questions, at least for me.
With a mother that tried every new holistic health solution that came along and a father that is a statistician, I fall in the middle, not skeptically closed, nor blindly follow everything.
There is an aspect to "Dreams" that seems to be potentially about Law of Attraction.
I've read the eBook Desired-Outcomes-Implementation-Technology from Gerry http://www.simple-time-management.com where he talks about Law of Attraction such as The Secret and how it is all bunk. I agree with him in theory. If worked, we'd all be super rich. Another issue about The Secret is what does this mean for those that are sick from cancer, they caused it?
I've explored such techniques long before The Secret. Was not getting any classwork done in college. No matter how I pushed myself, would find a way to screw it up. So then, one night (inspired by some book, long forgotten), just visualized getting it done. And I just magically got it done the next day and from then on.
OK, this falls under visualize and various procrastination methods etc. Nothing magic (just felt that way), but great to use. ( and why do I keep forgetting to use it... another topic )
BUT, there are other cases where it DID feel more magic as moises just posted.
YES, it could be because moises looked at world in different ways, moved different, felt different to boss, spoke up in new way, and things just came together, nothing magic.
I've thought about all these pros and cons, and certainly aware of the problems with self test self fulfilling, research on one (self). Yet there are times that results feel beyond just simple change, they DO seem magic.
I've even set out tests, giving myself hard unlikely things to visualize, such as I will meet this semi-famous person in non easy way (seeing him on street or lecture does not count) and 2 weeks later a work contact I barely knew asked me out to dinner and the famous person was there as well as his other guest. Just the 3 of us and 2 children of my friend. Very odd. Not of any real value, other than to prove that something was working.
Depending on which of my parents I'm channeling, this is either dreams and attraction and such at work OR is just observation of result. Where you only notice when DOES work, and do not notice when does not.
So, not answer with this post. Just questions. And certainly plenty of times when seem to NOT be able to get results in life, but this does raise questions, at least for me.
September 30, 2011 at 21:51 |
matthewS
matthewS
moises - Great story moises! Thanks!!
matthewS - You never notice how many Toyota Camrys are on the road till after you've just been looking at one at the car dealership.
And besides the mental priming, probability is a very funny thing. We notice the times when "unusual" pairings actually happen (pairing of a thought of someone, and then actually meeting them in reality a short time later). We don't notice the countless other times when we were thinking of someone and the person did NOT immediately appear. In fact, it would be extremely improbable if such pairings NEVER occurred. And it's extremely likely that they will occur SOMETIMES. We notice them when they do occur, and fail to notice when they don't.
Personally I think these are all very important considerations when endeavoring to create one own's luck. Taleb's "Fooled by Randomness" has some important insights on the topic.
matthewS - You never notice how many Toyota Camrys are on the road till after you've just been looking at one at the car dealership.
And besides the mental priming, probability is a very funny thing. We notice the times when "unusual" pairings actually happen (pairing of a thought of someone, and then actually meeting them in reality a short time later). We don't notice the countless other times when we were thinking of someone and the person did NOT immediately appear. In fact, it would be extremely improbable if such pairings NEVER occurred. And it's extremely likely that they will occur SOMETIMES. We notice them when they do occur, and fail to notice when they don't.
Personally I think these are all very important considerations when endeavoring to create one own's luck. Taleb's "Fooled by Randomness" has some important insights on the topic.
September 30, 2011 at 23:47 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
Seraphim - yes, I'm fully aware of all the pitfalls, great book my father had for which I forget title, about dowsing and it really completely is untrue, all simple faults in how we are easily fooled (and which in just searching for now and seeing results, I can see the book made no dent) "Fooled by Randomness" looks interesting, thank you.
Mark also said this perfectly. Felt this, but never sure how to exaplain.
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Opportunities are there all the time, but the object of the exercises is to activate the filtering mechanisms of the brain so that we recognize the opportunities that are relevant to our goals when we see them.
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So armed WITH that knowledge and viewpoint, I've at various times set out experiments. Such as the extreme one of meet a certain semi-famous person and then meet him in amazing way. NOT a simple case of notice when think of someone then meeting them. This was a deliberate test. And not an example of then I was more inspired to tell my boss about something. There were many more tests, that all seem to show events, people and circumstances pulled my way.
What I DO not know is the edges of what is possible. (yes, tried lottery, so far has not worked). Or how to repeat or what the actual rules are. AND fully aware of all the ways could be fooled.
At some level, does not matter what "reason" is, as long as get results. After all, just being able to think about something and do something as a human, is really an act of magic every moment.
Mark also said this perfectly. Felt this, but never sure how to exaplain.
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Opportunities are there all the time, but the object of the exercises is to activate the filtering mechanisms of the brain so that we recognize the opportunities that are relevant to our goals when we see them.
-----
So armed WITH that knowledge and viewpoint, I've at various times set out experiments. Such as the extreme one of meet a certain semi-famous person and then meet him in amazing way. NOT a simple case of notice when think of someone then meeting them. This was a deliberate test. And not an example of then I was more inspired to tell my boss about something. There were many more tests, that all seem to show events, people and circumstances pulled my way.
What I DO not know is the edges of what is possible. (yes, tried lottery, so far has not worked). Or how to repeat or what the actual rules are. AND fully aware of all the ways could be fooled.
At some level, does not matter what "reason" is, as long as get results. After all, just being able to think about something and do something as a human, is really an act of magic every moment.
October 1, 2011 at 20:42 |
matthewS
matthewS
<<I've read the eBook Desired-Outcomes-Implementation-Technology from Gerry http://www.simple-time-management.com where he talks about Law of Attraction such as The Secret and how it is all bunk.>>
I got more than a few comments telling me how wrong I was and that I did not understand the LOA or was not doing it right etc.
Gerry
I got more than a few comments telling me how wrong I was and that I did not understand the LOA or was not doing it right etc.
Gerry
October 1, 2011 at 22:36 |
Gerry
Gerry
matthewS:
<< There is an aspect to "Dreams" that seems to be potentially about Law of Attraction. >>
Well, just for the record I do not believe in the "Law of Attraction" and I had no intention whatsoever of making "Dreams" about it.
What I do believe is that the brain is a very powerful filter of experience which can lock on to almost any result if we use the right means of activating it.
<< There is an aspect to "Dreams" that seems to be potentially about Law of Attraction. >>
Well, just for the record I do not believe in the "Law of Attraction" and I had no intention whatsoever of making "Dreams" about it.
What I do believe is that the brain is a very powerful filter of experience which can lock on to almost any result if we use the right means of activating it.
October 2, 2011 at 0:17 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Seraphim:
<< You never notice how many Toyota Camrys are on the road till after you've just been looking at one at the car dealership. >>
I don't even know what a Toyota Camry looks like, but I do know that as a Porsche owner I notice every single Porsche on the road plus its year, colour, model, specification, etc.(except Cayennes which don't count). I don't have to look out for them - I see them automatically.
When I was an Alfa Romeo owner I noticed every single Alfa on the road and never noticed the Porsches. Where have all the Alfas gone now?
<< And besides the mental priming, probability is a very funny thing. We notice the times when "unusual" pairings actually happen (pairing of a thought of someone, and then actually meeting them in reality a short time later). We don't notice the countless other times when we were thinking of someone and the person did NOT immediately appear. In fact, it would be extremely improbable if such pairings NEVER occurred. And it's extremely likely that they will occur SOMETIMES. We notice them when they do occur, and fail to notice when they don't. >>
Exactly. How many people have said after an airplane crash that they felt a premonition that it would crash? What they don't mention is that every time they get on a plane they feel a premonition that it will crash.
<< You never notice how many Toyota Camrys are on the road till after you've just been looking at one at the car dealership. >>
I don't even know what a Toyota Camry looks like, but I do know that as a Porsche owner I notice every single Porsche on the road plus its year, colour, model, specification, etc.(except Cayennes which don't count). I don't have to look out for them - I see them automatically.
When I was an Alfa Romeo owner I noticed every single Alfa on the road and never noticed the Porsches. Where have all the Alfas gone now?
<< And besides the mental priming, probability is a very funny thing. We notice the times when "unusual" pairings actually happen (pairing of a thought of someone, and then actually meeting them in reality a short time later). We don't notice the countless other times when we were thinking of someone and the person did NOT immediately appear. In fact, it would be extremely improbable if such pairings NEVER occurred. And it's extremely likely that they will occur SOMETIMES. We notice them when they do occur, and fail to notice when they don't. >>
Exactly. How many people have said after an airplane crash that they felt a premonition that it would crash? What they don't mention is that every time they get on a plane they feel a premonition that it will crash.
October 2, 2011 at 0:25 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
matthewS:
<< There were many more tests, that all seem to show events, people and circumstances pulled my way. >>
One of the characteristics of random events is that they tend to cluster. This is an aspect of randomness that is little understood by politicians, judges, lawyers and lobbyists. We are always hearing things like "the incidence of z in X-ville is way above the average". But that's what random events do - cluster. However for every Xville in which the incidence is above average, there will be a Y-ville in which the incidence is way below average.
See http://www.boallen.com/random-numbers.html
Notice the clustering in the _first_ picture, which is true random-number generated.
<< There were many more tests, that all seem to show events, people and circumstances pulled my way. >>
One of the characteristics of random events is that they tend to cluster. This is an aspect of randomness that is little understood by politicians, judges, lawyers and lobbyists. We are always hearing things like "the incidence of z in X-ville is way above the average". But that's what random events do - cluster. However for every Xville in which the incidence is above average, there will be a Y-ville in which the incidence is way below average.
See http://www.boallen.com/random-numbers.html
Notice the clustering in the _first_ picture, which is true random-number generated.
October 2, 2011 at 0:49 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
<<..the brain is a very powerful filter of experience..>>
Well the brain is a collection of neurons firing. Consciousness via the mind is what we experience. I have no experience of neurons firing. Quantum physics is surely more use than neuroscience for understanding how consciousness is causal (Schrodinger's cat and all that); your future self live is a possible world which is energised by your dialogues and your consciousness comes into resonance with it. Double-blind drug trials are an attempt in the opposite direction to stop you having and dialogues with a possible future, as it were. The aim here is to neutralise expectations and assumptions about the future having an effect. Oe more example: the placebo effect. Perhaps they should experiment with paradoxical intentions too!
Well the brain is a collection of neurons firing. Consciousness via the mind is what we experience. I have no experience of neurons firing. Quantum physics is surely more use than neuroscience for understanding how consciousness is causal (Schrodinger's cat and all that); your future self live is a possible world which is energised by your dialogues and your consciousness comes into resonance with it. Double-blind drug trials are an attempt in the opposite direction to stop you having and dialogues with a possible future, as it were. The aim here is to neutralise expectations and assumptions about the future having an effect. Oe more example: the placebo effect. Perhaps they should experiment with paradoxical intentions too!
October 2, 2011 at 16:05 |
michael
michael
<<but I do know that as a Porsche owner I notice every single Porsche on the road>>
Way to go Mark! No wonder you go on long walks - must be to find a slower pace after burning up the motorway!
Way to go Mark! No wonder you go on long walks - must be to find a slower pace after burning up the motorway!
October 2, 2011 at 17:02 |
JD
JD
michael:
<< Well the brain is a collection of neurons firing. Consciousness via the mind is what we experience. I have no experience of neurons firing. >>
I'm not clear what your point is here.
<< Quantum physics is surely more use than neuroscience for understanding how consciousness is causal >>
Do you have enough knowledge of either to make this statement?
<< (Schrodinger's cat and all that); >>
What has Schrodinger's cat got to do with it?
<< your future self live is a possible world which is energised by your dialogues and your consciousness comes into resonance with it. >>
The dialogues are intended to help activate the powerful filtering action of the mind. No energizing of possible worlds or consciousness resonating is intended.
<< Double-blind drug trials are an attempt in the opposite direction to stop you having and dialogues with a possible future, as it were. The aim here is to neutralise expectations and assumptions about the future having an effect. Oe more example: the placebo effect. Perhaps they should experiment with paradoxical intentions too! >>
I'm afraid you've lost me here. I can't see what the relevance of this is to the question.
<< Well the brain is a collection of neurons firing. Consciousness via the mind is what we experience. I have no experience of neurons firing. >>
I'm not clear what your point is here.
<< Quantum physics is surely more use than neuroscience for understanding how consciousness is causal >>
Do you have enough knowledge of either to make this statement?
<< (Schrodinger's cat and all that); >>
What has Schrodinger's cat got to do with it?
<< your future self live is a possible world which is energised by your dialogues and your consciousness comes into resonance with it. >>
The dialogues are intended to help activate the powerful filtering action of the mind. No energizing of possible worlds or consciousness resonating is intended.
<< Double-blind drug trials are an attempt in the opposite direction to stop you having and dialogues with a possible future, as it were. The aim here is to neutralise expectations and assumptions about the future having an effect. Oe more example: the placebo effect. Perhaps they should experiment with paradoxical intentions too! >>
I'm afraid you've lost me here. I can't see what the relevance of this is to the question.
October 2, 2011 at 17:35 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
JD:
<< must be to find a slower pace after burning up the motorway! >>
Every owner of a sports car will tell you that motorways are just a boring way of getting from A to B. The fun occurs when you're off the motorway!
<< must be to find a slower pace after burning up the motorway! >>
Every owner of a sports car will tell you that motorways are just a boring way of getting from A to B. The fun occurs when you're off the motorway!
October 2, 2011 at 17:38 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
matthewS
<<great book my father had for which I forget title, about dowsing and it really completely is untrue, >>
You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS.
<<great book my father had for which I forget title, about dowsing and it really completely is untrue, >>
You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS.
October 2, 2011 at 19:32 |
Nicole
Nicole
@Gerry
"I got more than a few comments telling me how wrong I was and that I did not understand the LOA or was not doing it right etc."
well, if you or anyone can tell me or us how to do it right, certainly be useful - ha!
I find that sometimes it works or something works & other times does not
& I totally get the whole statistics where something seems as if magic, when just random numbers coming up 5 heads in a row & how our brains interpret
and yet... there are times where things that are asked for turn up so perfectly that it is clear that something else is going on, those that have experienced will know what I'm talking about
@Nicole
"You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS."
yes, that would be it. do not even need to read entire book, unless that interested in water witching, there is one very solid chapter that sums up for the layman, all the inherent issues with statistics & observations
"I got more than a few comments telling me how wrong I was and that I did not understand the LOA or was not doing it right etc."
well, if you or anyone can tell me or us how to do it right, certainly be useful - ha!
I find that sometimes it works or something works & other times does not
& I totally get the whole statistics where something seems as if magic, when just random numbers coming up 5 heads in a row & how our brains interpret
and yet... there are times where things that are asked for turn up so perfectly that it is clear that something else is going on, those that have experienced will know what I'm talking about
@Nicole
"You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS."
yes, that would be it. do not even need to read entire book, unless that interested in water witching, there is one very solid chapter that sums up for the layman, all the inherent issues with statistics & observations
November 9, 2011 at 0:10 |
matthewS
matthewS
@Nicole
"You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS."
Haven't read that book either. I do know first-hand that water witching indeed works. My dad was hired several times each year for decades by farmers that needed to locate field tiles. He used two pieces of steel coat hanger wire, bent into an "L" shape. Held them loosely parallel to the ground and to each other. Whenever they would swing and cross each other, there was water directly below. They actually were hiring him to find where tile may have been broken, so he would locate a tile run, then track it until the wires stopped crossing. That would be where the tile was broken. I've used the same method myself, and it does work.
Sorry if this isn't relevant to the topic that was gleaned from the book, but thought it might be interesting to some.
"You probably mean "Water witching" by Vogt & Hyman, originally from 1959. Haven't read it, but supposedly very convincingly show dowsing is BS."
Haven't read that book either. I do know first-hand that water witching indeed works. My dad was hired several times each year for decades by farmers that needed to locate field tiles. He used two pieces of steel coat hanger wire, bent into an "L" shape. Held them loosely parallel to the ground and to each other. Whenever they would swing and cross each other, there was water directly below. They actually were hiring him to find where tile may have been broken, so he would locate a tile run, then track it until the wires stopped crossing. That would be where the tile was broken. I've used the same method myself, and it does work.
Sorry if this isn't relevant to the topic that was gleaned from the book, but thought it might be interesting to some.
November 9, 2011 at 12:26 |
Dave D
Dave D
@Dave D
"Sorry if this isn't relevant to the topic that was gleaned from the book, but thought it might be interesting to some."
actually it is relevant, the book rather convincingly shows and proves that it does not work & even though both you and your father have direct experience, your experience is misleading you.
yeah, I know, I just sort of said the opposite above about dreams or creative visualization, seeming to actual make non coincidence results, which I think is what others here were trying to tell me.
i have no experience with water witching, although I do have memory of great Uncle giving me a stick he had carefully carved for Christmas & trying to teach me. I was maybe 6 & did not live on a farm or have use for, so of course never practiced it.
would be most interesting for you to read and let us know what you think of after reading.
"Sorry if this isn't relevant to the topic that was gleaned from the book, but thought it might be interesting to some."
actually it is relevant, the book rather convincingly shows and proves that it does not work & even though both you and your father have direct experience, your experience is misleading you.
yeah, I know, I just sort of said the opposite above about dreams or creative visualization, seeming to actual make non coincidence results, which I think is what others here were trying to tell me.
i have no experience with water witching, although I do have memory of great Uncle giving me a stick he had carefully carved for Christmas & trying to teach me. I was maybe 6 & did not live on a farm or have use for, so of course never practiced it.
would be most interesting for you to read and let us know what you think of after reading.
November 9, 2011 at 20:39 |
matthewS
matthewS
I've written maybe three dialogues with my future self.
The major aspect of my dream was to change the way that I support myself financially. That involves learning an entirely new skill set. I have been reading and practicing in order to gain these skills. But, so far, I have not successfully acquired them. It is often said in the field that I wish to master that the best way to accomplish this is to find a mentor. I had a few candidates but none of them panned out.
Then about six weeks ago I casually mentioned my interest (not the new career part) to my current boss. To make a long and complicated story short, today I reached an agreement with a man who has truly towering accomplishments. He will be coming to my office daily to teach me what he knows.
So, I will be doing--and getting paid for--my current job as I am being taught the skills that I need to be completely self-supporting.
Until now, my future self was always just out of reach, just beyond my grasp. It was a dream that always seemed not quite ready to be actualized. Today I experienced a seismic shift.
I am still in the middle of the Halvorson book, which I am enjoying, but I know enough to recognize that the path to the realization of my dream will be bumpy, even painful at times, filled with obstructions requiring countless detours. But it no longer seems so distant and dreamlike.
I cannot claim that there is a causal connection between the dreams exercises and my almost unbelievable fortune. I only know that something that once seemed unattainable now seems almost routine. My mentor will be coming in to see me in a few days. He is as excited to be working with me as I am with him. I would like to say that you can't make this stuff up. But I did.