Discussion Forum > Prime and Ripe
I like the suggestion and will try it for myself, but I doubt it will be widely adopted.
For myself I think a shift in vocabulary can give a different sense and connotation. For myself I had been experimenting with "Soon" and "Postpone" (or "Neglect" if I wanted to emphasise my choices, commitments or default decisions to avoid things). For me "Urgent" is more driving oneself with determination and "ripe" is more in line with intuition letting matters stand out - doing what you feel like doing when you feel like doing it. These issues are the "backstory" to autofocus and superfocus it seems to me. The difference between chronos (clock time) and kairos (the opportune moment) - where value and meaning meet the calendar and the clock. Imagine a Venn diagram, chronos overlapping kairos. The intersection is the "sweet spot" of ripeness.
For myself I think a shift in vocabulary can give a different sense and connotation. For myself I had been experimenting with "Soon" and "Postpone" (or "Neglect" if I wanted to emphasise my choices, commitments or default decisions to avoid things). For me "Urgent" is more driving oneself with determination and "ripe" is more in line with intuition letting matters stand out - doing what you feel like doing when you feel like doing it. These issues are the "backstory" to autofocus and superfocus it seems to me. The difference between chronos (clock time) and kairos (the opportune moment) - where value and meaning meet the calendar and the clock. Imagine a Venn diagram, chronos overlapping kairos. The intersection is the "sweet spot" of ripeness.
January 30, 2012 at 11:17 |
michael
michael
I don't know if it's the same in American English, but in British English describing something as "ripe" has the connotation of a bit overripe and smelly!
"That cheese is a bit ripe".
"So are your socks!"
"That cheese is a bit ripe".
"So are your socks!"
January 30, 2012 at 11:25 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
MarK : i believe that is one sense of it but according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ripe
adjective
1(of fruit or grain) developed to the point of readiness for harvesting and eating: a ripe tomato
(of a cheese or wine) fully matured: a ripe Brie
(of a smell or flavour) rich, intense, or pungent: rich, ripe flavours emanate from this wine
2 having arrived at the fitting stage or time for a particular action or purpose): land ripe for development they felt that the time was ripe for a new approach
When the fruit is ripe, it drops from the tree by itself. One moment it hangs by a thread from the branches of the tree. The next moment it falls--not because it has been forced to fall, or has made the effort to jump, but because the tree of life has recognized its ripeness and simply let it go.
For me "forcing" vs "allowing" is roughly "driving" vs "what feels ready to be done?". One is tense, one is relaxing and in harmony with one's mood and inclinations. Perhaps "plucking" (joke).
In NLP energy that is ripe may feel bigger, bolder, steadier, closer, more solid, more present, more dense and touchable, juicier, tender, ready!
Energy that is not ripe can feel further away, more mushy, hazier, smaller, more ethereal...not here yet. I suggest stepping into it, trying it on, feeling it. Try noticing the difference in how you represent the two within your being.
adjective
1(of fruit or grain) developed to the point of readiness for harvesting and eating: a ripe tomato
(of a cheese or wine) fully matured: a ripe Brie
(of a smell or flavour) rich, intense, or pungent: rich, ripe flavours emanate from this wine
2 having arrived at the fitting stage or time for a particular action or purpose): land ripe for development they felt that the time was ripe for a new approach
When the fruit is ripe, it drops from the tree by itself. One moment it hangs by a thread from the branches of the tree. The next moment it falls--not because it has been forced to fall, or has made the effort to jump, but because the tree of life has recognized its ripeness and simply let it go.
For me "forcing" vs "allowing" is roughly "driving" vs "what feels ready to be done?". One is tense, one is relaxing and in harmony with one's mood and inclinations. Perhaps "plucking" (joke).
In NLP energy that is ripe may feel bigger, bolder, steadier, closer, more solid, more present, more dense and touchable, juicier, tender, ready!
Energy that is not ripe can feel further away, more mushy, hazier, smaller, more ethereal...not here yet. I suggest stepping into it, trying it on, feeling it. Try noticing the difference in how you represent the two within your being.
January 30, 2012 at 11:31 |
michael
michael
Mark I believe is correct about the British connotation of ripe, though that use is rare over here. I think Readiness is a more friendly term, but it doesn't capture Mark's intention for urgency. Hot is a better synonym for Urgent.
Prime (as in primed) is another synonym for Ready, but used as Primacy it's a synonym for Important. So that isn't a good choice. Key?
I don't favor any of these words except Important.
Prime (as in primed) is another synonym for Ready, but used as Primacy it's a synonym for Important. So that isn't a good choice. Key?
I don't favor any of these words except Important.
January 30, 2012 at 12:42 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Maybe in order to avoid the existing connotations of words, the answer is to give them entirely new names without any existing meaning.
So in place of urgent, ripe, hot, I will rename it wugmug
And in place of important, primed, ready, we will have subblemubble.
So just to make it clear the best way to prioritise is by the degree of wugmug, and the degree of wugmug is allocated according to the task's subblemubble to you.
Everyone clear?
So in place of urgent, ripe, hot, I will rename it wugmug
And in place of important, primed, ready, we will have subblemubble.
So just to make it clear the best way to prioritise is by the degree of wugmug, and the degree of wugmug is allocated according to the task's subblemubble to you.
Everyone clear?
January 30, 2012 at 12:48 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
If you seek to be understood it's imperative you explain yourself in detail (which you are doing). There probably isn't a word that unambiguously identifies your new ideas.
Without explanation, people will assume urgency equates to due date. With your last five blog entries, people would understand regardless of word choice.
Without explanation, people will assume urgency equates to due date. With your last five blog entries, people would understand regardless of word choice.
January 30, 2012 at 13:16 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
"Ripe" makes perfect sense to me, but "prime" is a non-starter. Also, "prime" has 4 out of 5 letters in common with "ripe," which to me makes it visually confusing. I tried but did not come up with anything more compelling than "prime," or "subblemubble" for that matter.
However, I see nothing wrong with "ripe" and "important."
Myself, I have often made a list labeled "timely," for things with a rough window of opportunity but no specific deadline.
"Important" and "Timely"?
time*ly - adj. Done or occurring at a favorable or useful time; opportune: "a timely warning"
However, I see nothing wrong with "ripe" and "important."
Myself, I have often made a list labeled "timely," for things with a rough window of opportunity but no specific deadline.
"Important" and "Timely"?
time*ly - adj. Done or occurring at a favorable or useful time; opportune: "a timely warning"
January 30, 2012 at 14:26 |
Bernie
Bernie
Harry Potter fans just love "wugmug" and "subblemubble" :)
January 30, 2012 at 15:27 |
Hugo Ferreira
Hugo Ferreira
"Your search - subblemubble - did not match any documents."
You could corner the market with this word!
You could corner the market with this word!
January 30, 2012 at 15:58 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Just for completeness, as well as Prime and Ripe dismissal should be replaced with "stale" ;-)
Prime -> Ripe -> Stale - like a bell curve of readiness
Prime -> Ripe -> Stale - like a bell curve of readiness
January 31, 2012 at 10:38 |
michael
michael
Subblemubble ("ripe") just sounds like another way of saying "it stands out".
January 31, 2012 at 17:58 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
Seraphim,
You wrote << "ripe" just sounds like another way of saying "it stands out". >>
That was intentional. But something might also stand out because it is Urgent in a bad way; i.e., the Deadline is imminent. In that case, I would describe the task not as ripe to be done, but overripe, almost spoiled or rotten (overdue). So Ripe means that it is the right time to do it, neither too soon nor too late. This idea is similar to Mark's "Urgent to start" concept.
You wrote << "ripe" just sounds like another way of saying "it stands out". >>
That was intentional. But something might also stand out because it is Urgent in a bad way; i.e., the Deadline is imminent. In that case, I would describe the task not as ripe to be done, but overripe, almost spoiled or rotten (overdue). So Ripe means that it is the right time to do it, neither too soon nor too late. This idea is similar to Mark's "Urgent to start" concept.
January 31, 2012 at 22:58 |
ubi
ubi
So what if we use the adjectives Prime and Ripe instead? List your Prime tasks, and do each when it is Ripe for doing.