Discussion Forum > Discussion: "Full List of Official "No List" Systems"
Okay, which do you feel is the smoothest and most reliable?
June 22, 2016 at 4:29 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Oops, sorry. I replied on that other thread. If Mark wants to move my post from there over to here (or remove it), that's fine.
One system I didn't see on the list was no-list autofocus: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2016/3/29/no-list-and-autofocus.html
One system I didn't see on the list was no-list autofocus: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2016/3/29/no-list-and-autofocus.html
June 22, 2016 at 17:07 |
Don R
Don R
Alan Baljeu:
"Okay, which do you feel is the smoothest and most reliable?"
I'm nearly finished testing and experimenting with all the current "No-List" systems and should have some answers when I'm done.
"Okay, which do you feel is the smoothest and most reliable?"
I'm nearly finished testing and experimenting with all the current "No-List" systems and should have some answers when I'm done.
June 23, 2016 at 1:01 |
Michael B.
Michael B.
Don R:
"This is amazing. Thank you for putting this together. (Somehow I also missed the entire No List FVP discussion which started 11 months ago in the FV/FVP forum.)"
Thank you!
"This is amazing. Thank you for putting this together. (Somehow I also missed the entire No List FVP discussion which started 11 months ago in the FV/FVP forum.)"
Thank you!
June 23, 2016 at 1:04 |
Michael B.
Michael B.
"Oops, sorry. I replied on that other thread. If Mark wants to move my post from there over to here (or remove it), that's fine."
That's alright. The main thing was to prevent a discussion there.
"One system I didn't see on the list was no-list autofocus: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2016/3/29/no-list-and-autofocus.html"
Thanks for pointing that one out! That's the one I missed. I just spent some time creating posts for that system and its Rules update and have posted them to the list. That system came right before the May 9th system and hopefully I can get those posts edited later into the correct order.
That's alright. The main thing was to prevent a discussion there.
"One system I didn't see on the list was no-list autofocus: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2016/3/29/no-list-and-autofocus.html"
Thanks for pointing that one out! That's the one I missed. I just spent some time creating posts for that system and its Rules update and have posted them to the list. That system came right before the May 9th system and hopefully I can get those posts edited later into the correct order.
June 23, 2016 at 1:16 |
Michael B.
Michael B.
Okay the list is complete! Which do you like, people?
June 24, 2016 at 1:08 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
I've been using No-List FVP (I missed it the first time it was discussed) the last 2 days and I'm loving it. However, I have said that often after 2 days, and it remains to be seen how it goes in the long run.
June 24, 2016 at 2:42 |
Don R
Don R
I've locked the "Full List" to prevent further discussion on it, rather than here. I'll put a link to it in the "TM Systems" top menu item. Many thanks to Michael B. for collating all this.
June 24, 2016 at 13:35 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
I would invite you to consider using the ASEM algorithm with the No-List approach... I think it is very effective...
July 19, 2016 at 21:24 |
nick61
nick61
What is ASEM?
July 20, 2016 at 0:53 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Alan:
I had to look it up myself. It's "Another Simple and Effective Method" http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2013/5/20/another-simple-and-effective-method.html
I still use it myself occasionally, but I'd forgotten it was called that.
I had to look it up myself. It's "Another Simple and Effective Method" http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2013/5/20/another-simple-and-effective-method.html
I still use it myself occasionally, but I'd forgotten it was called that.
July 20, 2016 at 7:49 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
nick61:
<< I would invite you to consider using the ASEM algorithm with the No-List approach... I think it is very effective... >>
How do you combine them?
<< I would invite you to consider using the ASEM algorithm with the No-List approach... I think it is very effective... >>
How do you combine them?
July 20, 2016 at 8:01 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Mark: <<How do you combine them?>>
I've always liked ASEM. Unfortunately, if applied to a quite long catch-all list it starts to work non so well, because, as Mark reported, you tend to be confined for too much time at the beginning of the list.
What I discovered is that this defect disappears if you apply the algorithm to a short daily list. It has a very good balance between obbligations to execute tasks generally at the beginning of the list and a decent degree of freedom in choosing tasks generally at the end of the list.
So, I act like this:
1. at the beginning of the (working) day a make a (new) list of the tasks I want (must) execute by the end of the day (tipically, between 15 and 25).
2. I can add new tasks in any moment (without the obbligation to activate them immediatly), but it is mandatory to have a strong commitment to execute these tasks by the end of the day.
3. I process the list with the ASEM algorithm.
4. I start a new list every day
(I use calendar and tickler file as support to the daily list).
I'm really very satisfied .... nearly happy ... ;)
I've always liked ASEM. Unfortunately, if applied to a quite long catch-all list it starts to work non so well, because, as Mark reported, you tend to be confined for too much time at the beginning of the list.
What I discovered is that this defect disappears if you apply the algorithm to a short daily list. It has a very good balance between obbligations to execute tasks generally at the beginning of the list and a decent degree of freedom in choosing tasks generally at the end of the list.
So, I act like this:
1. at the beginning of the (working) day a make a (new) list of the tasks I want (must) execute by the end of the day (tipically, between 15 and 25).
2. I can add new tasks in any moment (without the obbligation to activate them immediatly), but it is mandatory to have a strong commitment to execute these tasks by the end of the day.
3. I process the list with the ASEM algorithm.
4. I start a new list every day
(I use calendar and tickler file as support to the daily list).
I'm really very satisfied .... nearly happy ... ;)
July 20, 2016 at 13:04 |
nick61
nick61
Introducing a no-list approach to Autofocus:
1. Tasks are added by "standing out" when you are at the bottom of the list (or starting a new list, which is equivalent).
2. You can rewrite recurring or unfinished tasks if you think you will do them again today.
3. Once you are at the bottom and nothing stands out that's not already on the list, you draw a line underneath the last task and then start scanning from the top to see if anything stands out.
4. If you get to a line without doing any tasks in the last block, the block is dismissed (deleted). It follows that if you make it through the list without anything standing out, the entire list is dismissed and you start fresh.
1. Tasks are added by "standing out" when you are at the bottom of the list (or starting a new list, which is equivalent).
2. You can rewrite recurring or unfinished tasks if you think you will do them again today.
3. Once you are at the bottom and nothing stands out that's not already on the list, you draw a line underneath the last task and then start scanning from the top to see if anything stands out.
4. If you get to a line without doing any tasks in the last block, the block is dismissed (deleted). It follows that if you make it through the list without anything standing out, the entire list is dismissed and you start fresh.
July 20, 2016 at 18:48 |
Austin
Austin
I didn't realize there is already a method similar to AF. Nevertheless the one I proposed is a bit different, and, I think, more like AF.
I haven't seen it acknowledged before, but Spinning Plates is a no-list system.
I haven't seen it acknowledged before, but Spinning Plates is a no-list system.
July 22, 2016 at 12:35 |
Austin
Austin
Austin:
<< I didn't realize there is already a method similar to AF. Nevertheless the one I proposed is a bit different, and, I think, more like AF.>>
Yes, yours is an interesting way of doing it. I could see that working well.
<< I haven't seen it acknowledged before, but Spinning Plates is a no-list system. >>
Spinning Plates is based on the Rotating System, on which I designed about four different no-list systems. So it's very closely related to them.
<< I didn't realize there is already a method similar to AF. Nevertheless the one I proposed is a bit different, and, I think, more like AF.>>
Yes, yours is an interesting way of doing it. I could see that working well.
<< I haven't seen it acknowledged before, but Spinning Plates is a no-list system. >>
Spinning Plates is based on the Rotating System, on which I designed about four different no-list systems. So it's very closely related to them.
July 22, 2016 at 15:38 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Full List of Official "No List" Systems":
http://markforster.squarespace.com/forum/post/2612782