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Alan:
Is the Nir Eyal book any good? Looking at the list of "Hack Backs" in the contents page on Amazon, every one of them would be solved by the Get It Right Keep It Right system.
"An adaptive goal-directed process of continuous and tracked improvement"? Could that be paraphrased as "get it right, keep it right"?
Is the Nir Eyal book any good? Looking at the list of "Hack Backs" in the contents page on Amazon, every one of them would be solved by the Get It Right Keep It Right system.
"An adaptive goal-directed process of continuous and tracked improvement"? Could that be paraphrased as "get it right, keep it right"?
February 27, 2021 at 14:54 |
Mark Forster
I think the book is good but it is challenging. In many ways, not excluding that Nir is an avowed fan of time boxing and scheduling, which puts a question of how to apply some of his ideas without scheduling everything.
GIRKIR does not encompass my thoughts. Where I'm at now I am not at all interested in maintenance mode operation, which is what is implied by "keep it right", or even just the word "right". Also the process of GIRKIR does not include the deeper thinking I believe I need, and does not track progress. I'm thinking like writing a story through my activities. (Washing dishes is an activity, but not interesting to the story. Making specific progress on a project is part of the story.) There is a similarity nevertheless: I think about covering all aspects of life, which GIRKIR does.
I have a scheme in mind, but it doesn't really look like anything I've seen before.
GIRKIR does not encompass my thoughts. Where I'm at now I am not at all interested in maintenance mode operation, which is what is implied by "keep it right", or even just the word "right". Also the process of GIRKIR does not include the deeper thinking I believe I need, and does not track progress. I'm thinking like writing a story through my activities. (Washing dishes is an activity, but not interesting to the story. Making specific progress on a project is part of the story.) There is a similarity nevertheless: I think about covering all aspects of life, which GIRKIR does.
I have a scheme in mind, but it doesn't really look like anything I've seen before.
February 27, 2021 at 16:04 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu:
<< I am not at all interested in maintenance mode operation >>
If you think "Get It Right, Keep It Right" is about maintenance mode operation then you have misunderstood it. Perhaps I ought to re-phase it as something like "Get Running, Stay Running" or "Get Ahead, Stay Ahead". Both those might express the intention better.
.<< Also the process of GIRKIR does not include the deep thinking I believe I need, and does not track progress. >>
The process includes whatever you want to put in it. If you list doesn't include deep thinking and tracking progress, that's because you haven't included them in the list.
<< I am not at all interested in maintenance mode operation >>
If you think "Get It Right, Keep It Right" is about maintenance mode operation then you have misunderstood it. Perhaps I ought to re-phase it as something like "Get Running, Stay Running" or "Get Ahead, Stay Ahead". Both those might express the intention better.
.<< Also the process of GIRKIR does not include the deep thinking I believe I need, and does not track progress. >>
The process includes whatever you want to put in it. If you list doesn't include deep thinking and tracking progress, that's because you haven't included them in the list.
February 27, 2021 at 16:14 |
Mark Forster
If it's called "Get Running, Stay Running", that seems a fine concept, but I do not find the GIRKIR system as proposed attractive to me. Possibly something similar, but I'd need to wrap my mind around what specifically seems right/wrong.
I know I can put thinking things and writing things in a list, but the process I'm imagining doesn't involve these things as list items but as part of this integral process. In any event, it's not sure what I come up with will work, but it won't be as simple as a list processing system.
I know I can put thinking things and writing things in a list, but the process I'm imagining doesn't involve these things as list items but as part of this integral process. In any event, it's not sure what I come up with will work, but it won't be as simple as a list processing system.
February 27, 2021 at 16:35 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu:
<< it won't be as simple as a list processing system >>
But wouldn't it be wonderful if it were!
<< it won't be as simple as a list processing system >>
But wouldn't it be wonderful if it were!
February 27, 2021 at 16:53 |
Mark Forster
My focus is on the information I'm trying to capture, and that information is not structured as a list. If I happen to run through a list as a process to build this, okay, but that's not the point.
February 27, 2021 at 17:01 |
Alan Baljeu
It occurs to me that what I'm contemplating is theoretically impossible. A radical shift of habits from one of "do what stands out" to planning everything and following the plan (as they stand out). It's not supposed to be possible to make such drastic changes. Yet I don't see any specific reason that will stop me, so I persist. I hope a number of factors present in my life make this possible, and I expect to put this into practice gradually so it all works out.
February 28, 2021 at 16:18 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu:
Keep us posted. If your system works out I'll invite you to write a blog post about it.
Keep us posted. If your system works out I'll invite you to write a blog post about it.
February 28, 2021 at 16:38 |
Mark Forster
A blog post! Wow. If it works, it will take a long while to prove it. My aim is to be able to say in 6 months exactly how my life has improved, and the steps I took to get there. More important than that report, my aim for the process is that It helps me move forward such that the content of my progress report would satisfy me.
So come back in 6 months?
Also, I am not sure I could successfully communicate the soft aspects of my thinking clesrly and briefly. Also a good portion of it seems to depend on the tools I'm using. I can't imagine successfully pulling it offf using paper or with a basic text editor or a spreadsheet. It feels like nothing short of a small book would convey the process! Not that I have any intent to write books. But maybe things will simplify. I still am unclear on a lot of what I'm attempting to pull together.
So come back in 6 months?
Also, I am not sure I could successfully communicate the soft aspects of my thinking clesrly and briefly. Also a good portion of it seems to depend on the tools I'm using. I can't imagine successfully pulling it offf using paper or with a basic text editor or a spreadsheet. It feels like nothing short of a small book would convey the process! Not that I have any intent to write books. But maybe things will simplify. I still am unclear on a lot of what I'm attempting to pull together.
March 1, 2021 at 18:37 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu:
<< So come back in 6 months? >>
Yes. If you've managed to make it work then the offer stands.
<< I still am unclear on a lot of what I'm attempting to pull together. >>
That's all part of the creative process.
<< So come back in 6 months? >>
Yes. If you've managed to make it work then the offer stands.
<< I still am unclear on a lot of what I'm attempting to pull together. >>
That's all part of the creative process.
March 1, 2021 at 20:18 |
Mark Forster
Darren Hardy, episode 583, https://darrenhardy.com/darrendaily-on-demand
Talks about exactly what I'm talking about. Establishing commitments and following through with the help of keeping things visible. His method may be different, but the substance is the same.
Talks about exactly what I'm talking about. Establishing commitments and following through with the help of keeping things visible. His method may be different, but the substance is the same.
March 4, 2021 at 14:35 |
Alan Baljeu
I am astonished to report after one week with this new system, that not only is it working, it is responsible for enabling what is easily the most productive week I've ever had in my life!
It has been a very hard week of work, but satisfying, and I don't take fore granted that the next week will work the same. The process is still very sketchy, it takes a lot of work to maintain, I can't explain it exactly, and I'm spending time today to try to work details out for the coming week.
It has been a very hard week of work, but satisfying, and I don't take fore granted that the next week will work the same. The process is still very sketchy, it takes a lot of work to maintain, I can't explain it exactly, and I'm spending time today to try to work details out for the coming week.
March 7, 2021 at 19:45 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu:
You may find that in Week 2 the list starts getting unbearably slow. This is the signal to start weeding.
You may find that in Week 2 the list starts getting unbearably slow. This is the signal to start weeding.
March 8, 2021 at 0:18 |
Mark Forster
The second week was less than the first, still went pretty well. It was not a question of weeding. This is not a system of generating more and more tasks in the way task systems generally are. Perhaps I was trying to do too much at once, but I don't think it was too much; it was too "at once". If I had merely spaced out the planning across time, it likely would have worked better.
The other cause of difficulty was just mechanical. I was experimenting with ways of organizing my information, and it just wasn't clicking. I think the third week will be better again.
The other cause of difficulty was just mechanical. I was experimenting with ways of organizing my information, and it just wasn't clicking. I think the third week will be better again.
March 14, 2021 at 17:51 |
Alan Baljeu
Week 3: feeling better about all, though I didn’t follow through on everything I anticipated. Obvious culprit is the change of scene: working at the office instead of home is a major disruption of my routine.
March 21, 2021 at 14:50 |
Alan Baljeu
My attempt at a remedy: introducing a process like AF2x2 http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2020/12/14/another-experiment.html
Albeit with major differences. What is the same: 2 lists. Switch lists after every action taken. What is different: I will run the first list in forward mode and only the second reversed. Also there is structure to these items. Also there is a putting tasks away back to the first list that isn’t in Mark’s system.
So really what’s the same is mainly the ping pong between lists. The motivation here is to have a more dynamic activation process instead of a DIT style that I was doing.
Albeit with major differences. What is the same: 2 lists. Switch lists after every action taken. What is different: I will run the first list in forward mode and only the second reversed. Also there is structure to these items. Also there is a putting tasks away back to the first list that isn’t in Mark’s system.
So really what’s the same is mainly the ping pong between lists. The motivation here is to have a more dynamic activation process instead of a DIT style that I was doing.
March 21, 2021 at 21:30 |
Alan Baljeu
hm. after a day of trying that. Seems to me The Bounce accomplishes pretty much the same thing in this context without all the jumping.
March 23, 2021 at 21:31 |
Alan Baljeu
Me, I completely and utterly failed in every way. There are many reasons, including trying too much, getting distracted by Nir Iyal’s Indistractible, getting hit hard by malaise. The upshot is not only did I fail to follow my rules, I have embarked on a massive project of reinventing my operating system, which is quite the opposite of the objective of the Challenge.
My aim for a new OS is an adaptive goal-directed process of continuous and tracked improvement.