Discussion Forum > Which systems of Mark Forster use a long list?
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/3/thoughts-on-the-long-list-update.html
At the beginning of this blog spot, Mark Forster writes:
<I wrote a couple of short articles earlier this year about long lists (aka catch-all lists):>
The word "aka" means "also known as", so he seems to be equating long lists and catch-all lists.
At the beginning of this blog spot, Mark Forster writes:
<I wrote a couple of short articles earlier this year about long lists (aka catch-all lists):>
The word "aka" means "also known as", so he seems to be equating long lists and catch-all lists.
October 22, 2025 at 3:21 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
http://markforster.squarespace.com/forum/post/899977#post933726
<It's important with AF4 that you don't use too long a list. The list should consist only of what you are currently working on.>
So here it seems that he is saying that AF4 is not a catch-all list.
<It's important with AF4 that you don't use too long a list. The list should consist only of what you are currently working on.>
So here it seems that he is saying that AF4 is not a catch-all list.
October 22, 2025 at 3:38 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
From the instructions for the Final Version, it looks like the Final Version is also a catch-all list:
<FV is based on my earlier time management systems, particularly the extensive range of AutoFocus and SuperFocus systems developed over the last three years. These were unique in that they were constantly developing with the assistance of a large band of commenters on my web-site. Anyone who has tried one or more of these systems will recognize the strong family resemblance that they have with FV. The most striking resemblance is that they are all based on one long list (either paper or electronic) which can be used to capture just about every possible action that springs into one's mind. >
<FV is based on my earlier time management systems, particularly the extensive range of AutoFocus and SuperFocus systems developed over the last three years. These were unique in that they were constantly developing with the assistance of a large band of commenters on my web-site. Anyone who has tried one or more of these systems will recognize the strong family resemblance that they have with FV. The most striking resemblance is that they are all based on one long list (either paper or electronic) which can be used to capture just about every possible action that springs into one's mind. >
October 22, 2025 at 4:03 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
Mark H.:
The Long List is the catch all list. It's the same thing.
When talking about the Long List, people here usually talk about a catch all list. One list where you just write down every task you want to have written down. You will not find a single example where Mark Forster refers to a Long List as anything else, AFAIK.
This is also apparent, when you read through the rules for the respective time management systems.
The Long List is the catch all list. It's the same thing.
When talking about the Long List, people here usually talk about a catch all list. One list where you just write down every task you want to have written down. You will not find a single example where Mark Forster refers to a Long List as anything else, AFAIK.
This is also apparent, when you read through the rules for the respective time management systems.
October 22, 2025 at 20:47 |
Christopher
Christopher
Christopher,
Thanks for your reply.
The reason I am wondering about this is because Mark Forster in the forum threads would say to only have on the list things you are currently working on. There were a number of times he wrote this. It never was clear in mind what list this was, or where he parked items before putting it on the list.
He did say this explicitly about AF4, and when others in the thread objected that the Autofocus rules state that it is catch-all list, he said AF1 was catch-all list.
Although he seemed to have originally intended for the Final Version to be a long list, catch-all list, I would think with this list a catch-all list be too long for a chain.
And with the same thing with the Zero Resistance method, and New Question method - there would be a lot of items on a catch-all list that I would no resistance to doing, or resist not doing.
Thanks for your reply.
The reason I am wondering about this is because Mark Forster in the forum threads would say to only have on the list things you are currently working on. There were a number of times he wrote this. It never was clear in mind what list this was, or where he parked items before putting it on the list.
He did say this explicitly about AF4, and when others in the thread objected that the Autofocus rules state that it is catch-all list, he said AF1 was catch-all list.
Although he seemed to have originally intended for the Final Version to be a long list, catch-all list, I would think with this list a catch-all list be too long for a chain.
And with the same thing with the Zero Resistance method, and New Question method - there would be a lot of items on a catch-all list that I would no resistance to doing, or resist not doing.
October 22, 2025 at 21:09 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
I have mainly been using Autofocus or Simple Scanning,
but when I have tried the Final Version the chain is over so many pages that I would lose my place.
And making the chain would take too long.
I would think the Final Version, Zero Resistance, New Question would work better with only active tasks, or tasks that ready to start.
but when I have tried the Final Version the chain is over so many pages that I would lose my place.
And making the chain would take too long.
I would think the Final Version, Zero Resistance, New Question would work better with only active tasks, or tasks that ready to start.
October 22, 2025 at 21:21 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
The chains in these systems are meant to be relatively short (whatever that means for you). Moreover, if you ask yourself if you have zero resistance, for instance, and find yourself selecting too many things, then you probably aren't actually asking what you have zero resistance to doing *right now*.
More likely, you're asking yourself if you have zero resistance to doing that thing "today" or "in a minute" or "when I get to it on the chain." That's the wrong way to think about the questions.
The chains can spread across the entire spread of all active pages on the list. You won't lose your place, because you scan backwards to action items. Unless you miss a dotted item because you were scanning backwards too fast, you won't lose your place.
The long scan *does* take a little bit of time. That's part of the system. It shouldn't take a very long time, but a minute or two to go through the list to make the chain is not surprising. These scans should be intuitive and rapid.
Additionally, Mark's long list systems have always intended to be the sifting ground for new ideas, and they are always meant to have primarily your active commitments on them. They are time management, not project management tools.
One of Mark's biggest insights was the idea that once you have committed to doing something, there really isn't any sense in prioritizing those things. They all have to get done, and since they all have to get done, driving by urgency in terms of when you need to get started is probably the best solution. The question isn't about importance, but about commitment to doing.
Mark's long list systems all implicitly work with this idea of not prioritizing on the basis of importance, but having a means of leveraging urgency and commitment. The original long list systems had dismissal protocols explicitly built in to the system. The whole idea of these dismissal protocols was to allow you to run the system and have it discard things that were not active. The intent was that they would home in on your actual active commitments and discard the rest.
The latter systems such as FV, FVP, Re:Zero, etc. did away with explicit dismissal in favor of incorporating dismissal as a habit. The idea was that as you were reviewing your list, you would be pruning items out of it over time, intuitively. You'd still be dismissing items that weren't going anywhere or that weren't going to go anywhere, thus keeping your list representing the active frontier of your life, but there wasn't an explicit protocol for it.
In all of these systems, there's no such thing as "parking items for later". Mark explicitly thought that things like that, such as Someday/Maybe lists, were probably less effective than people thought they were, and that such parked lists of things always got stale. Instead, Mark's systems always favored entering items into the system when they came to you and when you wanted to consider them. They would go into the long list first, and then get weeded out over time.
Again, these systems are time management systems, not idea archives. They can be used to do thinking and questioning and the like, but those are active things, not ideas for the future. Instead, if you really want to have ideas for the future parked someplace, such as a list of blog posts to write, then you might have "write blog post" on your long list, but then have a project file somewhere that contains all the blog post ideas that you can choose from. You *could* put all those blog posts into your main list, but having a bunch of items that you intentionally know you aren't going to consider working on and that aren't really choices for what you can do right now defeats the point of a time management system like the long list.
I hope this helps clarify some elements of long lists!
More likely, you're asking yourself if you have zero resistance to doing that thing "today" or "in a minute" or "when I get to it on the chain." That's the wrong way to think about the questions.
The chains can spread across the entire spread of all active pages on the list. You won't lose your place, because you scan backwards to action items. Unless you miss a dotted item because you were scanning backwards too fast, you won't lose your place.
The long scan *does* take a little bit of time. That's part of the system. It shouldn't take a very long time, but a minute or two to go through the list to make the chain is not surprising. These scans should be intuitive and rapid.
Additionally, Mark's long list systems have always intended to be the sifting ground for new ideas, and they are always meant to have primarily your active commitments on them. They are time management, not project management tools.
One of Mark's biggest insights was the idea that once you have committed to doing something, there really isn't any sense in prioritizing those things. They all have to get done, and since they all have to get done, driving by urgency in terms of when you need to get started is probably the best solution. The question isn't about importance, but about commitment to doing.
Mark's long list systems all implicitly work with this idea of not prioritizing on the basis of importance, but having a means of leveraging urgency and commitment. The original long list systems had dismissal protocols explicitly built in to the system. The whole idea of these dismissal protocols was to allow you to run the system and have it discard things that were not active. The intent was that they would home in on your actual active commitments and discard the rest.
The latter systems such as FV, FVP, Re:Zero, etc. did away with explicit dismissal in favor of incorporating dismissal as a habit. The idea was that as you were reviewing your list, you would be pruning items out of it over time, intuitively. You'd still be dismissing items that weren't going anywhere or that weren't going to go anywhere, thus keeping your list representing the active frontier of your life, but there wasn't an explicit protocol for it.
In all of these systems, there's no such thing as "parking items for later". Mark explicitly thought that things like that, such as Someday/Maybe lists, were probably less effective than people thought they were, and that such parked lists of things always got stale. Instead, Mark's systems always favored entering items into the system when they came to you and when you wanted to consider them. They would go into the long list first, and then get weeded out over time.
Again, these systems are time management systems, not idea archives. They can be used to do thinking and questioning and the like, but those are active things, not ideas for the future. Instead, if you really want to have ideas for the future parked someplace, such as a list of blog posts to write, then you might have "write blog post" on your long list, but then have a project file somewhere that contains all the blog post ideas that you can choose from. You *could* put all those blog posts into your main list, but having a bunch of items that you intentionally know you aren't going to consider working on and that aren't really choices for what you can do right now defeats the point of a time management system like the long list.
I hope this helps clarify some elements of long lists!
October 25, 2025 at 15:03 |
Aaron Hsu
Aaron Hsu
Aaron,
Thanks for your reply.
It will take some time for me to digest it.
It might be better to do that before I reply back.
Thanks for your reply.
It will take some time for me to digest it.
It might be better to do that before I reply back.
October 25, 2025 at 17:37 |
Mark H.
Mark H.
Aaron,
I have read and thought about your post. Thanks.
DIT had a task diary and Today's list that was a closed list, having only items to be done that day. There was a projects list, but it is not clear to me where ideas were to be captured, a capture list (a la David Allen, mind dump,etc.) There was an inbox of new items to be considered tomorrow, but were these all to be actioned or only processed? Yet, if one had a Backlog, this could contain a form of capture, but was not explicitly developed in the book.
Mark Forster was explicit in his Autofocus instructions that he intended it to be a catch-all list.
So anything could be captured on it. (It seems going against the intuitive purpose to be too prescriptive about what goes on the list.)
It also seems that he intended the Final Version to be in the family of Autofocus and so a catch-all list.
However, the Secrets book, which incorporated the no-list method of 5T, did not seem to have any explicit capture list. Mostly tasks that furthered the Authorized Projects could be written on the 5T list.
Mark Forster experimented with various no-list methods in the year 2016.
Then in February, 2017, he wrote the blog post The Natural Selection of Tasks,
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/2/6/the-natural-selection-of-tasks.html
and later that year he started a series of blog posts rethinking the long list, which eventually led to him advocating the Simple Scanning, which is a long list, catch-all list.
Re the New Question or Zero Resistance, it is not clear to me whether these used long lists or not, or whether the psychological awareness was the important thing, and not a list per se.
It seems that the no-list methods were not meant to draw from another list.
This change from long list to no-list back to long list has seemed confusing to me. It seems that Mark Forster was experimenting with how provide just enough structure to allow for intuition, and was interested in simplicity of method, minimal organization, and was trying to achieve the right balance.
I have read and thought about your post. Thanks.
DIT had a task diary and Today's list that was a closed list, having only items to be done that day. There was a projects list, but it is not clear to me where ideas were to be captured, a capture list (a la David Allen, mind dump,etc.) There was an inbox of new items to be considered tomorrow, but were these all to be actioned or only processed? Yet, if one had a Backlog, this could contain a form of capture, but was not explicitly developed in the book.
Mark Forster was explicit in his Autofocus instructions that he intended it to be a catch-all list.
So anything could be captured on it. (It seems going against the intuitive purpose to be too prescriptive about what goes on the list.)
It also seems that he intended the Final Version to be in the family of Autofocus and so a catch-all list.
However, the Secrets book, which incorporated the no-list method of 5T, did not seem to have any explicit capture list. Mostly tasks that furthered the Authorized Projects could be written on the 5T list.
Mark Forster experimented with various no-list methods in the year 2016.
Then in February, 2017, he wrote the blog post The Natural Selection of Tasks,
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/2/6/the-natural-selection-of-tasks.html
and later that year he started a series of blog posts rethinking the long list, which eventually led to him advocating the Simple Scanning, which is a long list, catch-all list.
Re the New Question or Zero Resistance, it is not clear to me whether these used long lists or not, or whether the psychological awareness was the important thing, and not a list per se.
It seems that the no-list methods were not meant to draw from another list.
This change from long list to no-list back to long list has seemed confusing to me. It seems that Mark Forster was experimenting with how provide just enough structure to allow for intuition, and was interested in simplicity of method, minimal organization, and was trying to achieve the right balance.
October 28, 2025 at 0:29 |
Mark H.
Mark H.





These posts lead to him advocating Simple Scanning:
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/3/thoughts-on-the-long-list-update.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/4/thoughts-on-the-long-list-preliminary-what-system-to-use.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/5/thoughts-on-the-long-list-the-panic-list.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/6/thoughts-on-the-long-list-accepting-that-it-wont-all-get-don.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/9/thoughts-on-the-long-list-making-everything-easy.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/10/top-10-advantages-of-the-long-list.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/28/thoughts-on-the-long-list-a-better-way.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/31/thoughts-on-the-long-list-a-better-way-cohttp://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/2/thoughts-on-the-long-list-the-better-way.htmlnt.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/3/thoughts-on-the-long-list-high-speed-high-volume.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/4/thoughts-on-the-long-list-high-intensity-use-of-time.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/5/high-intensity-use-of-time-ebook.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/17/high-intensity-use-of-time-progress-or-lack-of-it.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/11/23/high-intensity-use-of-time-progress.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/12/1/high-intensity-use-of-time-a-decision.html
So which of Mark Forster's systems use a long list?
These do not:
GED
Dreams book
DIT
Secrets
No-List methods
These systems use one long list:
Autofocus - clear from reading the instructions
Simple Scanning
"Simple Scanning is what I call a “long list” system. In long list systems the aim is to write everything down that you have to do, want to do or think you might do in one long list in no particular order. There should be no attempt to categorise, prioritise, or emphasise particular tasks in any way. There are no rules about what size individual tasks have to be or how they should be worded. "
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/12/2/simple-scanning-the-rules.html
http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/10/4/thoughts-on-the-long-list-preliminary-what-system-to-use.html
I am still searching regarding FV, FVP, the New Question, and Zero Resistance.
Any more long list systems?
Is the long list the same as a catch-all list?
If a list was not a catch-all list, where did Mark Forster advise parking items before entering them on a list?