Discussion Forum > Using a Hipster PDA as an Autofocus notebook
I did consider using the index cards I have here, which are portrait-oriented and have 17 lines. I read through the intro material a few more times, and became convinced that I should at least start out around the recommended 25-30 items per page.
My eventual choice had 29 lines, but I'm still getting used to the system and so I can't say for sure whether it's working. I have wondered a few times if having less lines would be helpful, because then I'd be quicker in flipping through the pages. Would that be motivating? Would having less tasks to choose from be helpful (incentive is to clear the page, maybe?) or more likely for the page to be dismissed too early?
I don't know the answers. I am just suspecting that the number of items makes a difference, and I also suspect that people will differ in whether they like to work from a page with a lot of items listed on it or only a few.
I've also started suspecting that I would do better if my autofocus pages had fewer items! But I also separate my lists into Work and Home lists, so maybe that's why I think it would work. If other people are splitting into even more contexts, I can totally see how each list would need to be shorter anyway, in order to keep the focus narrow enough to really consider each item on the page, when working from smaller contexts especially.
I'll leave you with something to consider: how do you think the number of lines on the page will affect you and the way *you* work?
My eventual choice had 29 lines, but I'm still getting used to the system and so I can't say for sure whether it's working. I have wondered a few times if having less lines would be helpful, because then I'd be quicker in flipping through the pages. Would that be motivating? Would having less tasks to choose from be helpful (incentive is to clear the page, maybe?) or more likely for the page to be dismissed too early?
I don't know the answers. I am just suspecting that the number of items makes a difference, and I also suspect that people will differ in whether they like to work from a page with a lot of items listed on it or only a few.
I've also started suspecting that I would do better if my autofocus pages had fewer items! But I also separate my lists into Work and Home lists, so maybe that's why I think it would work. If other people are splitting into even more contexts, I can totally see how each list would need to be shorter anyway, in order to keep the focus narrow enough to really consider each item on the page, when working from smaller contexts especially.
I'll leave you with something to consider: how do you think the number of lines on the page will affect you and the way *you* work?
March 1, 2009 at 6:21 |
Qrystal

More lines will give you more time to revisit tasks before having to face them or dismiss them. Fewer lines might increase resistance. I think it might be an entirely personal thing.
March 1, 2009 at 9:05 |
Mike

With autofocus.cc, I can dynamically change the number of items per page, so if I notice that a certain setting doesn't work for me, I can reorder my list within seconds. For example, at the beginning I had 10 items per page, but then I permanently ran into the issue that I didn't feel "ready" yet for the last few items on a page and had to dismiss them. I decided to switch to 20 items per page, which seems to have improved my flow significantly.
March 1, 2009 at 9:50 |
Andreas

I'd previously been using a gridded Moleskine Reporter notebook, with about 24 items per page. So far using 3x5 cards with 20 items per card doesn't feel like a big change.
I definitely agree that the "best" number of items per page is going to depend on both the person and the circumstances. There was an interesting poll on the Yahoo group about paper-vs-digital: maybe the next poll could be about number of items per page?
I definitely agree that the "best" number of items per page is going to depend on both the person and the circumstances. There was an interesting poll on the Yahoo group about paper-vs-digital: maybe the next poll could be about number of items per page?
March 1, 2009 at 18:26 |
Jonathan H

Actually, while I'm using a notebook now, I don't see any reason not to use 3x5 cards, and I think the description in the original posting of how to go about it ought to work well. I've used a Levenger "Pocket Briefcase" pretty routinely, along the lines of a "Hipster", sorta., and it's worked quite well for me.
I'd hope that the difference between 20 lines on a Levenger's card versus 24 lines in a Moleskine notebook isn't the "make or break" factor with this system...
I'd hope that the difference between 20 lines on a Levenger's card versus 24 lines in a Moleskine notebook isn't the "make or break" factor with this system...
March 2, 2009 at 5:21 |
Lefty

What will you do with the cards once you have completed or dismissed all the activities?
I am only in the 3rd day of my paper based AF trial and already I like the fact I have a chronological record of the items I have added in a bound notebook.
I am using an A5 notebook which gives me a fair amount of space to write
a details item. I found with 3x5 cards the space is restrictive.
However, please keep us posted on your Hipstar AF and share photos!
Charles
I am only in the 3rd day of my paper based AF trial and already I like the fact I have a chronological record of the items I have added in a bound notebook.
I am using an A5 notebook which gives me a fair amount of space to write
a details item. I found with 3x5 cards the space is restrictive.
However, please keep us posted on your Hipstar AF and share photos!
Charles
March 2, 2009 at 5:40 |
Charles

A 3x5 storage box which will hold several hundred cards can be had for a couple of bucks at any reasonable stationery store....
March 2, 2009 at 5:42 |
Lefty

Update: I tried my Hipster PDA idea for a week - it was an interesting experiment, but a failed one! Ironically it was the very flexibility of the system that caused problems. I found it too easy to shuffle cards around, which resulted in more planning/thinking about tasks and less actual *doing* of them.
It's made me realize that part of the beauty of Autofocus is the very linear, page-by-page way of working through a notebook. Once you finish a page, there's no question about what to do next: just turn to the next one!
Other people with more self control might have better luck using a Hipster PDA for their Autofocus lists... but then, if we all had self control, what are we doing on this forum looking for help? :-)
It's made me realize that part of the beauty of Autofocus is the very linear, page-by-page way of working through a notebook. Once you finish a page, there's no question about what to do next: just turn to the next one!
Other people with more self control might have better luck using a Hipster PDA for their Autofocus lists... but then, if we all had self control, what are we doing on this forum looking for help? :-)
March 8, 2009 at 19:44 |
Jonathan H

It's interesting to see several people trying different methods and ultimately coming back to a basic notebook. I desperately want to keep my lists on the computer/iPhone, but I have made the same journey and come back to the notebook. I think I just need to get bigger pockets...
March 9, 2009 at 2:34 |
ds

This is an ancient thread, but this is exactly what I've been doing for about 8 months now. I'm a big fan of index cards, and I think they work really well for this purpose.
Is anyone else doing this?
Is anyone else doing this?
July 30, 2012 at 21:32 |
Deven

I wish there were sideways cards so I could have 15 short lines instead of 8 long ones.
I currently have a sometimes-used pocket sized notebook for this AF purpose. I previously had a business card holder with cards that was strictly used for idea capture, not for running a system.
I currently have a sometimes-used pocket sized notebook for this AF purpose. I previously had a business card holder with cards that was strictly used for idea capture, not for running a system.
July 30, 2012 at 21:46 |
Alan Baljeu

I think that portrait-oriented index cards do exist, but they're far less common. The cards I've been using have a "title area" followed by 10 more lines. Personally, I rather like having the "closed list" be no more than 10 items at a time, it's less overwhelming than a list of dozens.
Of course, having only 10 items per page has implications for dismissal. On the other hand, Mark's Final Version system doesn't use a dismissal process at all, so why should an Autofocus system require it? (That topic probably deserves its own thread... Come to think of it, there's probably an existing thread about it!)
Of course, having only 10 items per page has implications for dismissal. On the other hand, Mark's Final Version system doesn't use a dismissal process at all, so why should an Autofocus system require it? (That topic probably deserves its own thread... Come to think of it, there's probably an existing thread about it!)
July 30, 2012 at 22:08 |
Deven

I'm sure you've noticed the threads about adding dismissal to FV. The mechanism is there in AF to limit the list, prevent stagnation. It's not clear to me why FV is different in this.
July 31, 2012 at 13:40 |
Alan Baljeu

Actually, I haven't seen any threads about adding dismissal to FV. Can you provide links?
July 31, 2012 at 14:53 |
Deven

<<big fan of index cards>>
Huge fan. I've cobbled together my own productivity system (a combo of Getting Shit Done (GSD), Tony Robbin's RPM system, & Family Systems Theory. The entire thing is actualized via an M-ARC (by Staples) binder, index cards & my own DIY daily pages.
Within the next few weeks, I'll post a video of the tools and ideas behind this system.
Huge fan. I've cobbled together my own productivity system (a combo of Getting Shit Done (GSD), Tony Robbin's RPM system, & Family Systems Theory. The entire thing is actualized via an M-ARC (by Staples) binder, index cards & my own DIY daily pages.
Within the next few weeks, I'll post a video of the tools and ideas behind this system.
July 31, 2012 at 15:18 |
avrum

Deven, There are too many incidental discussions for me to list them all for you. Here's one:
http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1891741
Use the search box, type in FV and dismiss. The first page of links aren't that great, so skip to the second and beyond.
http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1891741
Use the search box, type in FV and dismiss. The first page of links aren't that great, so skip to the second and beyond.
July 31, 2012 at 15:57 |
Alan Baljeu

Alan - re vertical index cards -
Here's a diy link - www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/index-card-hacks.html and I'm sure I've seen vertical cards at either Staples or OfficeMax
Here's a diy link - www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/index-card-hacks.html and I'm sure I've seen vertical cards at either Staples or OfficeMax
July 31, 2012 at 17:18 |
Lillian

Or better yet, a link that works - http://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/index-card-hacks.html
August 1, 2012 at 1:55 |
Lillian

The Hipster PDA is just stupid (I used it; I'd know. :P). I think Merlin Mann mostly wrote it as a thought exercise. In any case, he's long since abandoned it.
The problem with it is the binder clip. Takes forever to undo. Needs 2 hands to undo. Yet still manages to come undone.
A notebook works better. Even one of those mini-6-ring binders if you want pocket size. The smallest sizes of those are great.
The problem with it is the binder clip. Takes forever to undo. Needs 2 hands to undo. Yet still manages to come undone.
A notebook works better. Even one of those mini-6-ring binders if you want pocket size. The smallest sizes of those are great.
August 11, 2012 at 1:35 |
Christoph Dollis

Alan, that link (which I've read before) seems more like a thought exercise for "how could dismissal be added to FV?" It's not clear that anyone really feels a great need to add dismissal, nor that anyone has actually done so and found it useful/beneficial/workable.
As for the "Hipster PDA", the name sounds dumb but the idea is cute. I've been using index cards with a binder clip for Marks systems (and my own variants thereof), and haven't had a problem with the binder clip -- but I've been tending to leave it in the office, not carry it around everywhere. In a sense, the binder clip is optional -- it just helps keep the stack of cards from falling apart accidentally.
With some systems (like FV), I found that I flipped through the cards often enough that it was easier to leave the binder clip off all day. With my current AF1 variant, I generally leave it on except when I need to switch cards, which isn't as frequent as it was with FV.
As for the "Hipster PDA", the name sounds dumb but the idea is cute. I've been using index cards with a binder clip for Marks systems (and my own variants thereof), and haven't had a problem with the binder clip -- but I've been tending to leave it in the office, not carry it around everywhere. In a sense, the binder clip is optional -- it just helps keep the stack of cards from falling apart accidentally.
With some systems (like FV), I found that I flipped through the cards often enough that it was easier to leave the binder clip off all day. With my current AF1 variant, I generally leave it on except when I need to switch cards, which isn't as frequent as it was with FV.
August 13, 2012 at 19:46 |
Deven

You read the link correctly. It's clear from the search results that many people have attempted to add dismissal to FV. They must have felt the need. I can't promise anyone has found a good way to do it.
August 13, 2012 at 21:02 |
Alan Baljeu

Specifically, what if it took the form of Merlin Mann's "Hipster PDA" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_PDA. This is just a stack of index cards and a binder clip - total cost of $5 or less.
To use the Hipster PDA idea for Autofocus:
- The top card is the current active page.
- To "turn to the next page", move the top card to the bottom of the stack.
- When you've completed a card (or dismissed everything on it), take it out of the stack.
- Keep a couple of blank cards at the bottom to write new items on.
This eliminates a lot of the problems of using Autofocus with regular bound notebooks:
1. No need to keep track of the current page - it's always on top, staring at you.
2. No need for a system of transferring tasks to a new notebook - just add more cards.
3. No need for a system to indicate that a page is completed - just remove the card.
4. Easier to find dismissed tasks for review - archive those cards separately.
5. Easier to integrate special "context" / "urgent" / "checklist" cards into the system
For the basic mechanics, a lot depends on the particular cards you get. Levenger sells 5x3 cards with 20 lines in portrait format, but a cheaper option would be regular office-supply cards with a 1/4" grid, for 25 lines. You could also scale up to 4x6 cards.
Circa/Filofax/ring binder users can obviously reap most of the same benefits by moving pages around, but at the cost of more time and $$$.
I can't be the first one to have had this idea, so - has anyone else implemented it? Are there any pitfalls that I've missed? Otherwise I'm thinking of giving it a go tomorrow :)