Get Everything Done

Hi Brad,

I'm using TaskPaper too. Having thought of how to implement FV the easiest way, I came up with the following solution:

- active tasks are TP notes
- preselected tasks are TP tasks

The advantage of this approach is that the preselected list "stands out" automatically, for "notes" are rendered in (light) grey.

Furthermore I have the following searches defined in TextExpander:

- activeProject: not project matches "Inbox|Archive"

- activeTask: not type = "project" and ( not project = "Scheduled" or @day <= "%Y-%m-%d" ) and not @someday and ( not @done or @done <= "%@-1M%Y-%m-%d" )

- focusTask: type = "task" and ( not project = "Scheduled" or @day <= "%Y-%m-%d" ) and not @someday and ( not @done or @done <= "%@-1M%Y-%m-%d" )

- tl (task list): %snippet:activeProject% and %snippet:activeTask%

- fl (focus list): %snippet:activeProject% and %snippet:focusTask%

which do give me a great general / focused overview of what is on the plate. If I want to work on a specific project only, I just select it and add one of the following searches:

- t (task): and %snippet:activeTask%
- f (focus): and %snippet:focusTask%

Up to now I am happy with this solution, for project related work is done with another application, which does complement TaskPaper in a very good way.

HTH, and let me know your feelings about it.

Forgot the mention that there are further positive aspects with my approach:

- if you filter by the "tl" TE shortcut only, it's really nearly like on paper

- obviously it is very easy to preselect tasks: just add the hyphen at the start of the "note" and you are good to go! No additional tags needed etc.

- marking a preselected task with the @done tag and archiving it, has it in the right "type" of entry and no further editing is needed.

Cheers

@Stefano: Thanks for the info. It sounds really helpful, but I don't quite understand how it works. I'm using the iPhone and iPad apps. I've heard of TextExpander but I haven't ever used it. Can the TextExpander app apply those search parameters on the mobile apps?

Yes, TextExpander Touch is specifically developed for that, including the maths date-wise.

Obviously the searches do reflect my set up. The main functionality is to:

- either filter the view with: not type = "project", which does only show tasks and notes

- or to filter the view with: type = "task", which does result in lines starting with a dash only, hence the preselected list

If you are not using all the tags as in my first post, then you can even key in the searches in the shortcut menu of the keyboard under Settings / General. Works great too!

@Alison - like Brad said I have found Wunderlist to change things around when I reopen and, more frustratingly for me, I have found that there is sometimes a lag in entering a task. My job requires me to juggle a lot of input (email, calls, supervision of others) and so if it takes me more than a few seconds to get something into my system I am in trouble! Wunderlist just seems a lot less robust than other apps.

Omnifocus is working pretty well for me now (on day 3).

The system is generally working very well for me. I have managed to strike off a few longstanding tasks and I feel more in control of where I place my focus.

@Alison - like Brad said I have found Wunderlist to change things around when I reopen and, more frustratingly for me, I have found that there is sometimes a lag in entering a task. My job requires me to juggle a lot of input (email, calls, supervision of others) and so if it takes me more than a few seconds to get something into my system I am in trouble! Wunderlist just seems a lot less robust than other apps.

Omnifocus is working pretty well for me now (on day 3).

The system is generally working very well for me. I have managed to strike off a few longstanding tasks and I feel more in control of where I place my focus.

@Andrew - really surprised to hear this as I've never experienced this problem with Wunderlist.

@ Brad: Did you give my approach a go and what is your experience so far?

If you would like to see it in action, I can publish a PDF download link for both the Mac and Touch version, maybe it helps.

@Stefano: Actually, I spent a long time last night trying to figure it all out. The query language was all something new to me. I downloaded TextExpander and read the instructions, then I read the help menu for TaskPaper and I finally understood.

I added all of your search parameters and edited changed everything from task to note. Brilliant! I love the look. I love the ability to filter without tagging. And I never need to manually drag tasks from the bottom to the top or vice versa. I discovered that selecting a task and tapping "move to" the same project automatically moves it to the bottom of the list.

Thank you for taking the time to share your system with me!

I do have one question though. I'm not finding the "task list" search to do anything other than remove the "Archive" from the view. I know you said it would only show tasks and notes, but my projects are visible as well. All of my projects are at level 0. Does that have something to do with it?

I think publishing a PDF would be helpful for noobs like me. But it was worth the time invested to figure it out. Thanks again!

Orchestra for iPhone. Default sort is last updated/added at top. You can star items for the preselected list. Also, tasks can be marked with a future date or "someday". It's a good way to keep them, but not on the FV list.

You can type tasks or enter by voice. The app is free and syncs between devices.

Hello everyone. I made a thread about how I use FV with an app called Clear on my iPhone. If you have one, or are interested in the method, here's the link: http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1760734 . Cheers.

@ Brad: glad to hear that my approach does appeal to you and it's a pleasure helping out.

Correct you are. The "move to" command does move the current task to the bottom of the list in TP Touch. However, the reverse is true in TP Mac - the task gets moved to the beginning of the list. This is unfortunately one of the few inconsistencies between the Mac and the Touch versions. I am in contact with Jesse (the programmer) and Grey (technical support) to get things aligned accordingly.

Regarding the display of projects: it doesn't matter at what level your projects are located. They will show up as long as there are children "tasks" to be displayed according to the filtering. As soon as the project is empty, it will not show up - this is made sure with: not type = "project" or if you like you could reformulate it as: type matches "note|task". Hence I do assume that you have children "tasks" that are active with the search you are using.

I take up your suggestion and will publish the download link for others to see what we are talking about.

Cheers!

@Stefano: Makes perfect sense. I gotta say, when I initially purchased TaskPaper I thought it was a simplistic application with an attractive UI. It is certainly an attractive application, but I couldn't have been more wrong about its capabilities. What a powerful app that could really be tweaked and used for almost anyone's context. It is as simple or complex as you want it to be. The tip to use TextExpander really takes TaskPaper to the next level.

My desktop is a PC so I only use the mobile apps for the iPhone and iPad. I'm planning on getting a mac later this year and I'm sure I'll immediately download TaskPaper and TextExpander when I do.

I look forward to your to reading your PDF. Please let me know whenever you come up with other useful tips. I've subscribed to the TaskPaper forum as well.

@Brad. TodoPaper is a Windows client that works with TaskPaper. It uses the same file format and is 100% compatible. http://widefido.com/products/todopaper/

@ Brad: Welcome to the TaskPaper community and I am sure we will catch up there too ;)

I just wrote a short script to align the "moving" behaviour of TPM to TPT: http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/wiki/MoveSelectedEntriesToEndOfProject - it might be of interest for other FV / TP users.

Yes, I am fully with you. TaskPaper does surprise how versatile it can be and it perfectly adapts to the needs of the user - whoever that might be!

Wooba is right. There is a Windows "clone". Before joining the Mac camp, I did buy TodoPaper too. It has evolved since than and is now more in line with TaskPaper. Jordan is working on an improved Version 2.0, unfortunately since a long time. If you can afford it, it might make sense to buy a license for the interim period until you have a Mac too. However, be aware of the fact that TodoPaper is not TaskPaper! Tip: If you decide to go for it, use the discount code "Springbreak" - valid until 15 April, which entitles you for a price reduction of USD 14.99.

I am currently working on the PDFs.

Drop me a line either here or in the TaskPaper forum, if you need some support.

@Stephano,
I am currently using Workflowy for FV and I just realized from your discussions with Brad that Taskpaper is standalone application with similar concepts. And, I really love the way Workflowy works but it is a web app. So, I am deciding to switch over to Taskpaper. After reading through your comments, the combination of TextExpander and Taskpaper seems like the ideal combination for me. I am just moving my tasks to Taskpaper and I was curious about your setup - which probably will be answered in your upcoming PPT.

* From your snippets, I see you have Projects called Inbox, Archive, Scheduled. Can you help me understand how your setup looks like.

* The one problem I have had with Workflowy was my ability to deal with dated/due items in a simple manner. The most interesting thing I noticed was your use of the tag @day. Can you please elaborate on it?

* I have a windows pc as well, so I worry about the level of compatibility with Todopaper? Any experiences or things I should watch out for?

* I am trying to reuse your TE snippets for my setup as well. However, I am unfamiliar with TextExpander as well as Taskpaper. So, any help in setting up the snippets would be helpful as well.

Thanks.

Hi Greenchutney,

Yes, you are right. Workflowy has a astonishing resemblance with TaskPaper, even though the latter does not support "node folding" for the time being.

As you have realised, the one drawback of Workflowy is the fact that it is a web application only. TaskPaper on the other hand is available on all 3 major Apple platforms, i.e. the Mac, the iPad and the iPhone - no need for a web version.

-- My set up is simple. Have look …

    Inbox:
    Business:
    Family:
    Personal:
    Scheduled:
        Business:
        Family:
        Personal:
    Archive:

The Inbox and the Archive projects are self-explanatory. Take notice though that I do use the Inbox only, if I have a burst of ideas and I do not want to think too long where to put them, because I am on the run. Normally I do have enough time to put new tasks into the correct AoR it belongs to - see below.

Business, Family and Personal are my Areas of Responsibility ( AoR ). These "projects" can never be completed, i.e. are ongoing. I very seldom do add a sub-project and if, only temporarily. I do not like too complex ( sub- ) project structures.

Scheduled does contain all recurring items that I do not want to put into a calendar, to avoid cluttering it. I like to immediately see which AoR they do belong to and hence I have added the respective sub-projects. I do use the calendar mostly for meetings and other appointments, so that they do stand out while looking at it.

-- The nice thing about TextExpander is the fact that ( 1 ) it is available on the Mac, the iPad and the iPhone ( 2 ) it can not only do the same stuff as Apple's shortcuts text replacement-wise, but also do some magic with dates, time and the respective maths - have a look at http://smilesoftware.com/TextExpander/faq.html and search for the "How can enter today's date with a TextExpander snippet?" question and especially at http://blog.smilesoftware.com/2008/10/28/textexpander-date-and-time-math/.

Hence I do use the @day tag ( for scheduling ) as follows: @day(YYYY-MM-DD). Reason being: TaskPaper does compare tag values alphabetically. Therefore, a value of e.g. 2012-01-01 is lesser than 2012-02-01.

-- Wooba is right, about the 100% compatibility of TodoPaper with TaskPaper - regarding the file structure only!!! TodoPaper 1.x is, AFAIK, not capable of the powerful search queries TaskPaper can handle. However, and as stated above in my previous post, Jordan Sherer is "currently" working on a Version 2.0, which will be much more in line with TP - no ETA is available though. The best way forward and to be on the safe side would be to directly contact Jordan and to ask him exactly what is possible with TodoPaper 1.x and what will be possible with 2.x ( once released ) query-wise.

-- The snippets have to be set up in TextExpander Mac / Touch. TaskPaper is out of the game here. Just launch / open the respective application and on:

- TET: tap on the Groups tab, create a new group and key in a pair of shortcut and "content", i.e. the search for TP

- TEM: create a new group and enter the "content" - abbreviation pair too.

No rocket science is involved.

HTH and let me know, if you need some additional support.

I tried FV for the first time yesterday -- so productive! I'm using OmniFocus, and have one perspective for selecting items to work on. This is a context view with tasks sorted by date added, to simulate a hand-entered chronological list. I flag items to select them. Then I have a second perspective for the list to work from. This is in context view, grouped by project and sorted by date changed. This gives me the chain of items I selected in the order I selected them.

This setup worked great yesterday; I completed 60+ tasks. I'm looking forward to continuing on with it in the coming week.

About omnifocus i found a soluce which runs perfectly well with FV

Let all Task in the inbox
If something is dot flag it
Use the flag sort to do things from downe to up
Use projects for putting the bigs rocks and non actionable tasks or futur items
It's rocks !!!!

Firstly, thanks a ton for this, Mark!

I just have chime in with the chorus here that it seems Wunderlist on the iPhone and Mac is MADE for this!

@Stephano,
Thank you very much for detailing your setup. It is brilliant. I mimicked most of your setup, with my own twists and I have a working solution. But most importantly, I worked the FV list today and it has worked very well. I must say TP+TE combo is a killer app. I still have to see how it works with due dates stuff and I may need more snippets to make it seemless. For example, I need to find a way to just search and select items that may be due in the next couple of days, so I can convert them to tasks (from notes). I was curious as to how you manage that.

Also, there were no notes in Todopaper on my PC. That was a deal breaker for me using it on my laptop, given your setup. So, right now I am working on iPad and iPhone combination.

Thanks again.
GC

@Stephano, and oh BTW I am eagerly waiting for your ppt slides.

@Greenchutney: Here's what I'm doing for due dates.

"my abbreviation" : snippet : explanation

"/d" : @due(%Y-%m-%|) : Tags the task with current year-month- and places cursor to input the day.
"//d" : @due(%@+1M%Y-%m-%|) : Same as above for tasks due the following month.
"//x" : @due(%Y-%|) : Tags task with current year and places cursor to input any month-day.
"ddue" : (@due < "%@+3D%Y-%m-%d" or @today) and not @done : This allows me to search by due date for anything due before 3 days from today (so this cover overdue tasks as well).
If you want to search by all scheduled tasks just filter by @due tag.

I'm just starting to figure this out, so you may find better options out there.

Pleasure Greenchutney!

Brad has posted a good selection of due date related snippets - he is catching up :)

I have a more simplistic approach and try not to use too many date / time related tags. However, sometimes I have to. Trying to minimise the usage I came up with the following:

- scheduled [ and due] and repeating if in project Scheduled @day(2012-02-29) [ day | month-day | year-month-day ] every [ x ] day(s) | [ x ] week(s) | [ x ] month(s) | [ x ] year(s)

Here are some full expanded examples:

- pay house rent @day(2012-04-12) 15 every month
- cover Multichoice debit order @day(2012-04-28) 05-01 every 2 months
- pay P.O. Box renewal @day(2012-12-01) 2013-01-01 every year

just to give you an idea. The advantage of this method is that I have only 1 date / time related tag. Setting the schedule some days in advance and having the visual clue when exactly the task is due gives me some days of buffer to tackle it, without any pressure.

To make a long story short: I do use 5 tags only and very sparingly, i.e.

- @day(YYYY-MM-DD) for scheduling
- @done(YYYY-MM-DD) for items i want to keep in the current active project as a reminder or if I want to archive the task

and the following I am trying to avoid at all costs, if possible:

- @someday if I really want to see the task in my weekly reviews only
- @today for marking very IMPORTANT / URGENT task I HAVE to knock off during the day
- @week for marking items that I want to do during the week

To be honest, since I started using FiVe ( The Final Version ;) I am actively only using the @day and @done tag. The system does cover the @someday, @today and @week tag in an amazing way that tagging is not needed. However, it is good to know that I have ways to visually handle "extreme" cases, should I really have / need to.

@ Brad, Greenchutney and who ever is interested:

As promised find following the download link to the PDF file I have compiled, showcasing the way I do use FiVe and TPM/T:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/404578/FiVe%20-%20The%20Final%20Version.pdf ( 6.5 MB )

Any feedback is appreciated and have fun exploring.

Thanks very much to Brad and Stephano. That solves much of the due date issues for me! I have been using the FV list on taskpaper for the last 24 hours and it has been great! I will now dump all my scheduled items into the FV list and let it rip. I will report back with status.

GC

You rock @Stefano! Thank you for the report!

Also, I agree with you regarding the use of tags (they can easily be overused). I actually began the system without any tags at all. If I weren't a student I probably wouldn't worry about it. But I found that when I was studying, I spent less time selecting what I wanted to do next, if I could see the due date. (Plus, it feels really good to start working on a major assignment that isn't due for another two months. I've never been THAT student! ;)

My work requires a lot of scheduled appointments. I use the calendar for keeping track of those, but I have also keep a task "Meet w/ Client A" tagged with the date of the last meeting. For example, Meet with Client A @last(2012-03-19). This allows me to see if my client is due for a follow up. The list of clients is long enough that I keep a separate project with their names listed. Then, in the Inbox, I have a generic task "Schedule Client Meeting" which means I need to select whichever client is due for a meeting.

So the only tags I'm actively using are @due, @last, and @done.

I wouldn't want to see a bunch of @work, @home, @school, @car, @phone, etc. tags. That would be too cluttered for me. But contexts are one of the key tenets of GTD, so I'm sure a lot of people like working that way.

You are welcome Brad :)

As many others I started using tags all over, being fascinated with the possibilities of filtering and manipulating entries. Coming from GTD too and as time passed by, it got too much of a hassle keeping up with them and to maintain them. Now, from my point of view, I am wiser :D

Realising what powerful search engine / query language TaskPaper does have I am happy to have settled with "contexts". I still use them, but more prose-wise - even though I nevertheless can filter by the keywords. Instead of using tags I do apply the following rules, where more details are required - inspired by http://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/back-to-basics-your-task-list.html:

- task [ FOR Project ] [ : comments / notes ] [ @ day | done ]

- action | item waiting for FROM source [ FOR Project ] [ request date ] [ : comments / notes ] [ @ day | done ]

As you can see everything does fit into one line! Fully fledged examples:

- work for Web Site : implement language controller @day(2012-03-25) 31

- feedback re concept packages from Italian Tour Operator for Potential Business Cooperation Partners 2012-03-15 : he is on a business trip for 1 week @day(2012-03-31) 04-15

- follow up with clients for Annual Holiday Plans : send out information about new developments re the regions they have visited in the past @day(2012-06-01) 15 every 2 months

Again, I try not to overload the task with additional information, however there is room for addition, should the need arise.

After reading 2 MF books and using Superfocus for a while, as soon as I saw the new Final Version was out, I had to do what a web developer must: turn this into a web app. So after showing the team, who loved the method, that's what we did.

We hope you like it, but without any more waffle here's BlancList: http://www.blanclist.com/

We'd love feedback from all of you, and if you access the site from desktop rather than mobile, there are support links for you to get in touch with us with any bugs, queries or requested features.

Features:
- workflow, we've tried to create the system from the ground up, rather than bend the application to match the method
- interface, you can add tasks from anywhere, even whilst 'doing' tasks. The interface changes between managing the list (selecting items, and removing them) and doing tasks (re-adding or marking as done)

There are a few little bits we know we'd like to add, but we thought we'd see what things users wanted us to focus on.

I think there is just enough app there to make sure we can use the system to get those requests done :)

Enjoy!

~Steve

Another vote for Wunderlist! It's almost like they were building the official FV electronic version.

@ Steve: nice first shot! I like the design.

I immediately did find 2 little aspects that should be implemented soon: ( 1 ) https is not supported ( 2 ) once you have entered a task you can not rephrase or add more information to it.

Thumbs up nevertheless.

@Stefano: thank you kindly!

1) We're going to add HTTPS as a couple of people have requested that. We wanted to get initial feedback and focus our efforts from the feedback.

2) I'm not sure about the editing step. On one hand if you make a typo, it's a pain. But on the other not having that feature might encourage the trash / add to the end flow that Mark Forster outlines. What do you think?

Thanks again!

@ Steve: I second the motion. Very nice first shot, and most of the way there right out of the gate.

I like the long entry line, hitting enter to add an item and then add another if desired, the nice big dot, the greying out of undotted ones, the ability to cancel a dot by clicking again, the focused list once done, the ability to add an item while in focused list view, and the re-add button. All are completely in line with the FV rules.

First, before I say anything else, and at risk of crossing this line myself, I would caution not adding any features in the future that are not specifically addressing Mark's rules as currently stated. As Alan wisely said, "You can’t randomly tweak a Forster system, because most changes make it worse."

I'm agreeing with the comments from Stefano above, and mostly about the ability to change an item after entering. I have encountered two instances where this was undesirable. First was wanting to add a job number to an existing task to make it clearer. I couldn't go back and add it.

Second was hitting the re-add button. It was for a task that was repeating, but had a different due date. I wanted to have it be copied to the last spot on the list, but to change the date first. I find that when I cross out and rewrite, about half the time I rewrite something slightly different because it's clearer. It would be nice and in line with FV to have that option when you hit re-add: keep it the same, or change it.

This is an excellent digital execution of FV. It doesn't make it more complicated, which most digital solutions tend to do. The temptation is great to add other features, tweaks etc, but I think you are dead-on by keeping it simple and not trying to "improve" on FV.

Nice work!

@scottmoehring Thanks for your kind words, really pleased that trying to keep it pure was something that got noticed!

We're looking into editing, and are putting together a list of features to work through. I agree that changing on re-add is a case that could use some more polish, and an edit step somewhere would aid that. Especially in the case where you work on a task, but don't finish it, and re-add a smaller next step.. That one will need a little pondering to make sure it's done right.

@ Steve: you asked and I answered ;)

( 1 ) Good to hear!

( 2 ) scottmoehring did hit the nail on the head regarding the possibility to rephrase / add more information to an item. His examples are very good ones and valid points!

Yes, you shouldn't add too many feature to the web application. Maybe you will have to think about allowing an offline mode? HTML5 can be of help here ;)

Keep up the good work!

I really like Wunderlist, and I agree that it seems to be made for FV.

It does have that sorting bug and it can be reproduced if you really close the application and start it again on your iPhone. This bug unfortunately makes it unusable for this purpose.

I have been in contact with Wunderlist support, and this is what they say about it:

"Thanks for reporting the problem. We are working on a new version which will include a lot of improvements and bug fixes, so we will make sure that this will be fixed. Also sorting options are something we have on our agenda to make this more reliable. Stay tuned for the next updates:)"

No timefram given, but at least they are working on it.

-Ken

Stefano:
"Up to now I am happy with this solution, for project related work is done with another application, which does complement TaskPaper in a very good way."

Would you please provide details regarding this other application and the workflow together with taskpaper?

Stefano, thank you for your pdf.
I'm trying taskpaper with your FV setup since today and it is working quite ok. Actually, it is a little relevation for me, coming from omnifocus, which I'm on a trial. I got it setup with folders, gtd contexts, perspectives etc but I just couldn't do my tasks... also tried FV in OF, but OF really feels clunky in contrast to taskpaper and I am not looking back.

Oh and I am also interested in your "project support" workflow ;)

@ louis wu: Glad to hear that you are giving FV and TaskPaper a try :)

Where / About what are you not feeling 100% comfortable with the set up? On the Mac side we are lucky that most of the missing features can be added via AppleScript. I just updated http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/wiki/MoveSelectedEntriesToEndOfProject with nice additions, still rough though. Furthermore, I am planning to add another script to comfortably change the type of entry from task ( TP note ) to preselected task ( TP task ) and back - similar to the CMD-Y shortcut for de- / tagging an entry with @today.

Is there anything I can do to support you?

@ Lby @ louis wu: First of all I am very curious what Mark will tell us about his thoughts of how to manage projects with FV. Hopefully soon ;)

I tried to handle projects from within TaskPaper Mac ( TPM ) and Touch (TPT), by having separate files for each of them - coming from an all one encompassing file, what a nightmare - and having quite a complex sub-project structure depending on the needs. On top of that I did keep project-related files / documents in Dropbox reflecting the project structure for "easy" finding … not really.

The next step in trying to develop a better PM support was to reduce the sub-project structure in TP and to use more tags instead, while on the file side to use only one folder for all and tagging the documents with Tags for Mac. Things were getting better, but not much. My project.taskpaper files were littered with tags that I nearly couldn't recognise the original tasks anymore - too much noise. On the other hand, the approach with Tags for the hard stuff was relieving and promising - no headaches anymore about where exactly to put a file, but nevertheless easy and fast to find at least on the Mac; no chances on the iPhone / iPad. This was inspired by the post "File System Infobase Manager" of Doug on http://dougist.com.

Most probably you will already smile, having realised that the big issue had still to be resolved. How on earth can he work with that setup on an iPhone / iPad? It is possible, but very cumbersome …

My current setup for PM is again simple, but effective - the 3rd step in the evolution. Nothing new to you, I am sure of that, and it has been discussed on these forums in the past too:

- In TaskPaper Mac / Touch I have only a short entry: work for <Project> [ : perhaps with an additional comment / note what the next step is, just to tune me in ] [ @day(YYYY-MM-DD) if I have to meet a deadline ] - see my previous post in this thread on March 19, 2012 at 8:29.

- Everything else is handled from within Evernote Mac / Touch! The project-related tasks, notes, documents, files etc. The positive side is that I can work on a project whenever and wherever I want to, even if I am not connected to the Internet - being a premium member, I have all the required ( offline ) notebooks on my iPhone as well as on my iPad. Peace of mind :)

To make a long story short: from TaskPaper Mac / Touch to Evernote Mac / Touch and back. You only need 2 applications and have all the data you need at hand. Currently pure Nirwana for me.

@ anyone who's using TaskPaper Mac together with FV: I have uploaded the AppleScript http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/wiki/ToggleEntryTypeOSelectedfNotesAndOrTasks for even better handling of the ( preselected ) tasks. Up to now one had to physically type in or remove the dash to change the status of a task - it is the dotting according to the Final Version rules ;) I do suggest to apply the SHIFT-RETURN shortcut to call the script.

Have fun and happy Getting Things Done!

@Steve from Blanc: Your app looks really great; after trying it out last night, I'm going to use it the rest of this week and give it a go. Really good work! Thanks for sharing it with us.

@Christopher Thanks! Really been fun getting the positive feedback.

We've been collating the feedback from users of the app, looking to release some updates with the most requested features on Friday. With the exception of deviating from FV, we'll be actioning the most requested features in order, so if something is needed, let us know. Just click 'Support' in the app, and get a direct line to us :)

I am using Wunderlist so far without too many problems. The sorting issue with the mobile apps isn't too much of a concern to me, when I'm on the road I am only looking to get tasks done that are absolutely essential for that day anyway so I can always put a date on them or just use the star function in non FV mode.

What I would really like is to get this going on Gqueues as that's my task manager of choice. There are some useful capture methods with that which I miss with Wunderlist such as email tasks to inbox and the chrome web extension. Other than that though Wunderlist seems better suited to FV.

@ Brett: Pleasure and no problems at all :)

Yes, the issue is well known, however, there is a safe "workaround" for it.

Just follow the steps outlined below and you should not be in trouble again - at least I have never encountered missing / changed data anymore since then:

First of all there is one rule you should always keep in mind: Never work on .taskpaper files in parallel! Unfortunately Dropbox does, for the time being, not support merging - there is a beta version tackling the issue, but as said it is beta …

- TaskPaper Mac:

( 1 ) Save the documents you are currently working with.

( 2 ) Close the windows.

( 3 ) Quit TPM.

- TaskPaper Touch:

( 1 ) Quit TPT.

( 2 ) Remove TPT from the multi-task bar too!

Give Dropbox a few seconds to really update the files on the server, before "switching" the working environment.

Now, the TPT side is quite easy to follow and not really annoying. However, on the TPM side even I sometimes forget the one or other step, if I am in a hurry.

To make life as "comfortable" as possible, I do suggest that you try out the following AppleScript:

http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/wiki/SafelyQuitTaskPaper

All is set and you are ready to go mobile!