FV and FVP Forum > Cycle pages? Preselection length?
You keep on preselecting a new task until there is "nothing" you want to do before the last preselected task. I'd say that strictly means until the end of the list.
However, when my FV list gets very long, I suspect I would stop preselecting after I "feel" there is "nothing" I want to do before the last preselected task.
However, when my FV list gets very long, I suspect I would stop preselecting after I "feel" there is "nothing" I want to do before the last preselected task.
March 13, 2012 at 9:59 |
sabre23t
sabre23t
With you there, Sabre, after a few hours of use, on paper for now.
March 13, 2012 at 10:21 |
Roger J
Roger J
Tijl:
You use the entire list, yes. Pages are irrelevant to this system.
There's no limit to the number of tasks in the preselected list. Though if it gets too long you might not be using the selection method correctly. The question is carefully worded so you don't have to spend time weighting up every individual task. You can move quite rapidly through the list until a task hits you as something you want to do before the previous task.
If you don't go to the end of the list then you are in danger of missing out the more urgent tasks which tend to be found there.
Remember that it may take a little time to construct the preselected list, but once it's done you don't have to do any more scanning until it's been completed.
You use the entire list, yes. Pages are irrelevant to this system.
There's no limit to the number of tasks in the preselected list. Though if it gets too long you might not be using the selection method correctly. The question is carefully worded so you don't have to spend time weighting up every individual task. You can move quite rapidly through the list until a task hits you as something you want to do before the previous task.
If you don't go to the end of the list then you are in danger of missing out the more urgent tasks which tend to be found there.
Remember that it may take a little time to construct the preselected list, but once it's done you don't have to do any more scanning until it's been completed.
March 13, 2012 at 11:31 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
"Remember that it may take a little time to construct the preselected list, but once it's done you don't have to do any more scanning until it's been completed."
So the pre-selected list doesn't have to be completed in one go? You can do the pre-selection and then work through it over a number of sessions if necessary, and then when it's all done, do another pre-selection?
My problem has always been that I only have snatched moments during the day to get things done, so I'd often only be able to do one thing from the list.
I love the simplicity of the system, so I'm quite hopeful it can work for me.
So the pre-selected list doesn't have to be completed in one go? You can do the pre-selection and then work through it over a number of sessions if necessary, and then when it's all done, do another pre-selection?
My problem has always been that I only have snatched moments during the day to get things done, so I'd often only be able to do one thing from the list.
I love the simplicity of the system, so I'm quite hopeful it can work for me.
March 13, 2012 at 12:43 |
Annette
Annette
"Remember that it may take a little time to construct the preselected list, but once it's done you don't have to do any more scanning until it's been completed."
One possible exception to that statement might be if some additional tasks come along which you would enter on the end of the list in the normal way. Should you at that point
(a) re-assess your earlier pre-selection to see if any of these recently arrived candidates meet the criterion "what (of these new items) do I want to do before the last of the items on my preselected list)?"
or
(b) continue with the existing preselected list?
One possible exception to that statement might be if some additional tasks come along which you would enter on the end of the list in the normal way. Should you at that point
(a) re-assess your earlier pre-selection to see if any of these recently arrived candidates meet the criterion "what (of these new items) do I want to do before the last of the items on my preselected list)?"
or
(b) continue with the existing preselected list?
March 13, 2012 at 15:29 |
John Angus (Anguish)
John Angus (Anguish)
"If it needs to be done now, do it now." I suppose that could mean to write it down, put a dot on it, and restart the doing of dotted items from the end. But only for the super-urgent items.
March 13, 2012 at 16:17 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
I ask to help about 2 questions.
1) I correctly understand, theoretically length of a chain (order) of at least 2 tasks? For example, first task and the last?
2) Sequence of tasks in a chain: surely consistently down according to the list? For example, there are 10 tasks (№1... №10). I chose №1-№5-№10, and owe stop and make a chain?
And so: №1-№5-№10-№9-№3 it is wrong?
1) I correctly understand, theoretically length of a chain (order) of at least 2 tasks? For example, first task and the last?
2) Sequence of tasks in a chain: surely consistently down according to the list? For example, there are 10 tasks (№1... №10). I chose №1-№5-№10, and owe stop and make a chain?
And so: №1-№5-№10-№9-№3 it is wrong?
March 13, 2012 at 19:04 |
Sacherk
Sacherk
Sacherk
How did you get 1-5-10-9-3 ?
The first chain would be 1-5-10 . If 9 is more important than 10, it would be 1-5-9-10 .
The second chain would start with the first unactioned item, 2. The next item more important than that is 3, then 9.
How did you get 1-5-10-9-3 ?
The first chain would be 1-5-10 . If 9 is more important than 10, it would be 1-5-9-10 .
The second chain would start with the first unactioned item, 2. The next item more important than that is 3, then 9.
March 13, 2012 at 20:48 |
Cricket
Cricket
Note that Mark didn't mention the Common-Sense rule ("If it needs to be done now, do it now") in the FV description or Additional Tips section. But he did write: "If one or more very urgent things come up, write them at the end of the list and mark them with a dot so that they are done next. If something already on the list becomes very urgent, then move it to the end of the list and mark it with a dot in the same way." This is in the spirit of the Common-Sense rule, except the task does get entered, dotted, and crossed out.
So, since you're always working the chain bottom-up, you can hang a new urgent 'link' onto the bottom of the chain by appending a task to the list and dotting it. If a task below the bottom link becomes urgent, but is not the last task on the list, I suppose you could just dot it and do it, rather than moving it all the way to the bottom first. . .
So, since you're always working the chain bottom-up, you can hang a new urgent 'link' onto the bottom of the chain by appending a task to the list and dotting it. If a task below the bottom link becomes urgent, but is not the last task on the list, I suppose you could just dot it and do it, rather than moving it all the way to the bottom first. . .
March 13, 2012 at 21:25 |
ubi
ubi
Cricket, thanks, I tried today FV and understood the mistake.
I hurried up, asking the Main Issue of FV that the mixed chain from all my tasks for a week turned out! Down and up according to the list!
By the end of the working day I wanted to remain live :) therefore reconstructed the first chain strictly down according to the list (asking the Main Issue of FV).
The last task in the list entered into the first chain and I stopped and started to work upside-down.
I hope that is correct...
Though in the middle of the list there was a task which I wanted to solve before the last task in my list...
I was mistaken!
This task entered into the second chain, and is made.
And I by the end of the working day still live :).
Mark, I thank you, the system doesn't strain and WORKS!
I hurried up, asking the Main Issue of FV that the mixed chain from all my tasks for a week turned out! Down and up according to the list!
By the end of the working day I wanted to remain live :) therefore reconstructed the first chain strictly down according to the list (asking the Main Issue of FV).
The last task in the list entered into the first chain and I stopped and started to work upside-down.
I hope that is correct...
Though in the middle of the list there was a task which I wanted to solve before the last task in my list...
I was mistaken!
This task entered into the second chain, and is made.
And I by the end of the working day still live :).
Mark, I thank you, the system doesn't strain and WORKS!
March 14, 2012 at 20:52 |
Sacherk
Sacherk
Annette:
<< So the pre-selected list doesn't have to be completed in one go? You can do the pre-selection and then work through it over a number of sessions if necessary, and then when it's all done, do another pre-selection? >>
I think the idea is this:
(1) You create your pre-selected list.
(2) You work through each item in the order specified. You take SOME ACTION - as much or as little as you want - on each item. When you are done taking action, if the item is not yet completed, then re-write it at the end of the list.
So, yes, you do work through each item.
But no, you don't need to COMPLETE each item -- just take ANY action, however small.
After you've taken action on each of the preselected items, you then do another round of preselection.
<< So the pre-selected list doesn't have to be completed in one go? You can do the pre-selection and then work through it over a number of sessions if necessary, and then when it's all done, do another pre-selection? >>
I think the idea is this:
(1) You create your pre-selected list.
(2) You work through each item in the order specified. You take SOME ACTION - as much or as little as you want - on each item. When you are done taking action, if the item is not yet completed, then re-write it at the end of the list.
So, yes, you do work through each item.
But no, you don't need to COMPLETE each item -- just take ANY action, however small.
After you've taken action on each of the preselected items, you then do another round of preselection.
March 15, 2012 at 5:29 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
Hello, first post. Please help me get one question cleared up in my head:
1. You create the long list by writing down the tasks just as they pop up in your head; they are not sorted in any predetermined, structured manner
2. After starting with the first unactioned task, you obviously move down the list in order to find the next task to preselect
3. After finding the second task (which may be "unactioned task no 15" in the list), in order to preselect the third to-do task, do you only move downwards in the list, or do you start looking for tasks that you want to preselect, from the beginning of the list? I guess the second option would mess up the dot-markings, you'd have to use numbers instead, right?
1. You create the long list by writing down the tasks just as they pop up in your head; they are not sorted in any predetermined, structured manner
2. After starting with the first unactioned task, you obviously move down the list in order to find the next task to preselect
3. After finding the second task (which may be "unactioned task no 15" in the list), in order to preselect the third to-do task, do you only move downwards in the list, or do you start looking for tasks that you want to preselect, from the beginning of the list? I guess the second option would mess up the dot-markings, you'd have to use numbers instead, right?
March 15, 2012 at 12:13 |
Stratos Laspas
Stratos Laspas
Stratos,
I think you keep going down, for the practical reason you mentioned about maintaining the order. My electronic version would in theory allow multiple passes of the main list, but in practice I find a single task works fine.
I think you keep going down, for the practical reason you mentioned about maintaining the order. My electronic version would in theory allow multiple passes of the main list, but in practice I find a single task works fine.
March 15, 2012 at 12:23 |
will
will
Always start at the beginning, go to the end, then stop. Never go backwards when preselecting. When doing, always go backwards.
March 15, 2012 at 12:25 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
To add to Alan's summary - the way I've been doing it, "always go backwards" means continually starting at the very end of the list. In other words if two urgent (do it now!) things come up I write them at the end of the list and mark them. (If I'm in the middle of something I cross it out and re-write it at the end as well.) I immediately begin at the end of the list and do these two things. I then scan backwards through the list to find the next marked item.
March 15, 2012 at 14:12 |
Zane
Zane
1) you cycle the whole list, right? Not individual pages on the list?
2) is the preselection list length predetermined? You seemed to be going for 3 or less items, but from the instructions it seem you just go to the end of the list, even if that means you preselect five or six tasks.
Thanks!
Tijl