FV and FVP Forum > Tweaking your systems: The sneakiest form of procrastination?
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March 27, 2012 at 19:19 |
Alex

Ditto!
March 27, 2012 at 19:32 |
Nicole

"Hacking the tools" is a guilty pleasure –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_pleasure
It's also what separates us from other animals. Think about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_pleasure
It's also what separates us from other animals. Think about it.
March 27, 2012 at 20:53 |
ubi

Agreed! I have 2 rules when I'm tempted to tweak. One is more honoured in the breach, I'll let you guess which one.
The order of the list remains the same. The most-resisted task in one system has the same spot in the next. That's one reason the switch from AF to FV was easy.
The work of tweaking, including thought experiments and the forum, is equal in importance to the other tasks on the system. It's fair game during down-time, but when I'm supposed to be working, I can only work on it when the system suggests it.
As I said, I'll let you guess which rule I need to respect more.
The order of the list remains the same. The most-resisted task in one system has the same spot in the next. That's one reason the switch from AF to FV was easy.
The work of tweaking, including thought experiments and the forum, is equal in importance to the other tasks on the system. It's fair game during down-time, but when I'm supposed to be working, I can only work on it when the system suggests it.
As I said, I'll let you guess which rule I need to respect more.
March 27, 2012 at 21:17 |
Cricket

Guilty pleasure - agreed! :)
Adding "work on the system" as just another task in the system - also agreed! :)
Interesting observation: I spent about 20 minutes writing up the original post. I realized the humor in that as I was finishing it up. Even in my commitment to reduce the tweaking, I'm still finding ways to tweak (or in this case, discuss not tweaking!) rather than actually work.
Yeah, procrastination is a sneaky one indeed.
Adding "work on the system" as just another task in the system - also agreed! :)
Interesting observation: I spent about 20 minutes writing up the original post. I realized the humor in that as I was finishing it up. Even in my commitment to reduce the tweaking, I'm still finding ways to tweak (or in this case, discuss not tweaking!) rather than actually work.
Yeah, procrastination is a sneaky one indeed.
March 27, 2012 at 22:44 |
scottmoehring

But, scottmoehring, while you were 'procrastinating' you used your initiative to create something of value, because you wanted to. Which is almost the definition of capital-W 'Work'.
The joys of structured procrastination!
The joys of structured procrastination!
March 28, 2012 at 5:52 |
John Graham

John,
I love the cap-W "Work"! I have used it for years to keep myself motivated in the face of a soul-sucking cap-J "Job". I thought I was the only one. :)
You've really given me something to think about. I believe my real problem here is that I feel like I should feel guilty for getting distracted from the tasks I think I'm supposed to be doing. But in the end, those are the tasks that are forgotten.
The few of mine that have endured all started as distractions that refused to be ignored because they had some deep link to my sense of self and my Work in the world. A couple examples, made for fun, distributed for free, and which paid me back a hundred-fold in ways I couldn't even imagine...
http://www.ericmackonline.com/ica/blogs/emonline.nsf/dx/scott-moehring-to-provide-workflow-diagram-at-bp-conf.
http://desmoineskubb.com/rules-and-tools.php
I can't plan those moments. The drive shows up at the oddest times. I just need to have enough of the rest of my life in order so that I can pay attention to them when they show up. That's why I really love Mark's FV.
Thanks to you all for reminding me of why I value my tools, tweak my tools, and post and read here. Yes, it's about fun and subjects that interest me. Much more importantly though, it enables more effective execution of the Work I have yet to do. :)
I love the cap-W "Work"! I have used it for years to keep myself motivated in the face of a soul-sucking cap-J "Job". I thought I was the only one. :)
You've really given me something to think about. I believe my real problem here is that I feel like I should feel guilty for getting distracted from the tasks I think I'm supposed to be doing. But in the end, those are the tasks that are forgotten.
The few of mine that have endured all started as distractions that refused to be ignored because they had some deep link to my sense of self and my Work in the world. A couple examples, made for fun, distributed for free, and which paid me back a hundred-fold in ways I couldn't even imagine...
http://www.ericmackonline.com/ica/blogs/emonline.nsf/dx/scott-moehring-to-provide-workflow-diagram-at-bp-conf.
http://desmoineskubb.com/rules-and-tools.php
I can't plan those moments. The drive shows up at the oddest times. I just need to have enough of the rest of my life in order so that I can pay attention to them when they show up. That's why I really love Mark's FV.
Thanks to you all for reminding me of why I value my tools, tweak my tools, and post and read here. Yes, it's about fun and subjects that interest me. Much more importantly though, it enables more effective execution of the Work I have yet to do. :)
March 28, 2012 at 20:21 |
scottmoehring

I remember that GTD diagram back in the days that I would be on David Allen's forum. I never made the connection before between you and it.
It was on that forum that I learned about Mark's book Do It Tomorrow.
People get a lot of great ideas in the shower. It's OK to let your mind roam and wander if innovation is what you seek. John Graham has it right.
It was on that forum that I learned about Mark's book Do It Tomorrow.
People get a lot of great ideas in the shower. It's OK to let your mind roam and wander if innovation is what you seek. John Graham has it right.
March 28, 2012 at 20:32 |
moises

The Pomodoro Technique insists on regular unstructured breaks. Psych studies prove we need breaks, even from work we love, to do our best at the work. The challenge is to keep them in balance with the rest of our work.
March 28, 2012 at 23:01 |
Cricket

I remember that GTD diagram. Easily the best and clearest I've seen, and also illustrating that GTD was more complex than I could bear.
March 29, 2012 at 1:34 |
Alan Baljeu

Wow, Scott. You're the guy who made that GTD diagram? Cool. Nice Kubb document too, made me want to play it.
March 29, 2012 at 20:28 |
Bernie

For the tweakers among you, I think I've mentioned on my blog often enough that working on a new time management system is an extremely effective way of reducing my life to chaos. I've often wondered what would have happened if I'd followed David Allen's path of inventing one system and sticking to it for decades.
This explains why I sometimes get frustrated with people whose first action on getting a new system which I've polished at great personal cost down to the sharpest-possible edge is to blunt it by adding a huge overload of tweaks. It's even more frustrating when they get fed up with their own tweaked version and abandon the system altogether.
This explains why I sometimes get frustrated with people whose first action on getting a new system which I've polished at great personal cost down to the sharpest-possible edge is to blunt it by adding a huge overload of tweaks. It's even more frustrating when they get fed up with their own tweaked version and abandon the system altogether.
March 30, 2012 at 0:56 |
Mark Forster

Mark: that's a very succinct observation.
Although initially attracted to DA's GTD, the overhead just became too much.
Mea culpa with regard to tweaks, however FV really is different, its simplicity and rules are outstanding.
I've always wanted to go electronic, this time it's in Evernote using the tag for getting the chain set up, that's about all, however it's available to me on my Android smartphone even if that version cannot yet do the reverse date order for Date/Time Updated.
I wondered if my chains were too short, then I realised it's another way of little and often.
BTW, congratulations on the grandchild. First, tenth?
Although initially attracted to DA's GTD, the overhead just became too much.
Mea culpa with regard to tweaks, however FV really is different, its simplicity and rules are outstanding.
I've always wanted to go electronic, this time it's in Evernote using the tag for getting the chain set up, that's about all, however it's available to me on my Android smartphone even if that version cannot yet do the reverse date order for Date/Time Updated.
I wondered if my chains were too short, then I realised it's another way of little and often.
BTW, congratulations on the grandchild. First, tenth?
March 30, 2012 at 10:04 |
Roger J

Roger:
<< BTW, congratulations on the grandchild. First, tenth? >>
Second!
<< BTW, congratulations on the grandchild. First, tenth? >>
Second!
March 31, 2012 at 2:25 |
Mark Forster

I look at my own endless tweaking of my systems as the most amazing form of procrastination. It doesn't feel like procrastination because I'm working on my productivity tools, so it has to be productive, right? I'm not procrastinating, I'm MAKING IT BETTER, and when I make this next change, then it will be perfect, and I'll stop. But oh, what's this, a new post with a way cool idea I should try..!
Well, I am regularly guilty of this, and I'm trying very hard to recognize it quickly and STOP TWEAKING.
"Does adding this feature help me follow Mark's FV rules better and faster than with paper? Does it help get The System off my mind, and help me actually get more real work done?" That's my new goal.
Mark's systems have always been HIGHLY effective on paper. Paper is my benchmark for "more doing, less tweaking". Mark has already done all the tweaking for us. It's like the selection of a chain. It's not about the absolute best dots in the absolute best sequence. It's about a great chain, and then another, and then another. It's not about the perfect app. It's about picking a good app, then getting to work.
Trust the rules, pick a good FV list-and-chain tool, and then get to work. :)
Scott
P.S. As an aside, the new BlancList (www.blanclist.com) was the eye-opener for me. It was built from the ground up for FV (bonus - no hacking to get started). It also was completely stripped down (no preferences to set, no options, no tags, just a running list). I plugged in a list to try it out, and over the course of the day my initial frustration with not being able to tweak the system slowly gave way to my amazement at actually getting a lot done. The system began to disappear, and I finally "got it". I was working, nothing more. The dots were fed to me one at a time, and I did them, and then built another chain. It was glorious. I realized that I had been using "tweaking the system" as an excuse to delay doing the tasks within it (especially the sticky ones).
I don't know what I will ultimately end up using, but I will use that feeling as my benchmark. Working in the system, not on the system. :)