FV and FVP Forum > Have you abandoned a paper notebook, Mark?
Yes, I have because I've found that Evernote is much faster than paper and pen, which was not the case with any other electronic implementation I've tried using, which have all seemed very "clunky" to me. And because the set-up is completely under my control I can use it exactly how I want.
April 5, 2012 at 0:02 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Mark,
Going through your posts in http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1765213 I noted you ...
(1) use only EN Windows (no mobile versions)
(2) use "DO" tag (not "FV Chain")
(3) like being able to focus on on the "DO" preselect list tasks
(4) sort by "Updated", so recurrent tasks when updated goes to top/end of list
(5) change "Updated" date manually to put a tickler future date
(6) consider adding notes to task as working on it, that automatically change "Updated" date, and move to top/end of list
(7) use "DO" saved search for {notebook:"FV List" tag:"DO"}
(8) do not have "FV List" as default notebook, so item #7 ensure focus remains on "FV List" notebook when looking at "DO", and new urgent tasks gets created in "FV list"
(9) have "In-Box" as default notebook for anything else notes/documents
(10) drag "the circle" at the right of notes title, to hyperlink notes to other notes/apps
(11) view tasks in List format (not Snippet or Thumbnail)
(12) doing 50+ tasks, and 2 or 3 chains per day
Any other EN Windows tweaks for FV you are using, Mark?
Going through your posts in http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1765213 I noted you ...
(1) use only EN Windows (no mobile versions)
(2) use "DO" tag (not "FV Chain")
(3) like being able to focus on on the "DO" preselect list tasks
(4) sort by "Updated", so recurrent tasks when updated goes to top/end of list
(5) change "Updated" date manually to put a tickler future date
(6) consider adding notes to task as working on it, that automatically change "Updated" date, and move to top/end of list
(7) use "DO" saved search for {notebook:"FV List" tag:"DO"}
(8) do not have "FV List" as default notebook, so item #7 ensure focus remains on "FV List" notebook when looking at "DO", and new urgent tasks gets created in "FV list"
(9) have "In-Box" as default notebook for anything else notes/documents
(10) drag "the circle" at the right of notes title, to hyperlink notes to other notes/apps
(11) view tasks in List format (not Snippet or Thumbnail)
(12) doing 50+ tasks, and 2 or 3 chains per day
Any other EN Windows tweaks for FV you are using, Mark?
April 5, 2012 at 7:56 |
sabre23t
sabre23t
Mark,
I'm very happy with my (Outlook tasks) electronic setup when I'm at my laptop, but find I need a separate paper list for when I'm not. I am encouraged that you find a PC based electronic solution adequate: what's your approach when you're out and about?
- Separate list on paper?
- Use your head?
- Carry your Laptop wherever you go?
- ...?
I'm very happy with my (Outlook tasks) electronic setup when I'm at my laptop, but find I need a separate paper list for when I'm not. I am encouraged that you find a PC based electronic solution adequate: what's your approach when you're out and about?
- Separate list on paper?
- Use your head?
- Carry your Laptop wherever you go?
- ...?
April 5, 2012 at 9:30 |
Will
Will
sabre:
I'm not sure whether (5) works - I haven't actually tried it. It was suggested by someone else. I've changed (9) so that new notes go into "General" unless otherwise routed. (10) is a general remark about EverNote rather than about the FV implementation. I don't think I've used it for FV.
The only thing I'd want to add is that the easiest way to tag highlighted notes as DO (or whatever you want to call it) is to right click on one of the notes and use Tag Note. It's quicker than dragging the notes into the margin.
My only other deviations from Avrum's video are that I don't bother to keep the question as a Tag and I just delete tasks I've finished with. I don't transfer them into a Completed notebook.
I'm not sure whether (5) works - I haven't actually tried it. It was suggested by someone else. I've changed (9) so that new notes go into "General" unless otherwise routed. (10) is a general remark about EverNote rather than about the FV implementation. I don't think I've used it for FV.
The only thing I'd want to add is that the easiest way to tag highlighted notes as DO (or whatever you want to call it) is to right click on one of the notes and use Tag Note. It's quicker than dragging the notes into the margin.
My only other deviations from Avrum's video are that I don't bother to keep the question as a Tag and I just delete tasks I've finished with. I don't transfer them into a Completed notebook.
April 5, 2012 at 10:18 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Will:
Generally speaking I try to avoid working when I'm out and about.
Generally speaking I try to avoid working when I'm out and about.
April 5, 2012 at 10:19 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Further to Will's question, have you returned home yet? It's easy to stay digital when all your work is computer-based. I find at home it's just more painful to keep attached to a computer as I'm going around doing household stuff. Now if you're at home mostly doing writing and planning and webbing with the occasional other chore then of course that would work fine.
April 5, 2012 at 13:18 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
I had written a paragraph, but the website apparently (3rd time this week) threw it out with this:
The connection was reset
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
It was something about using software is easy only if you are usually attached to a computer. Mark: Have you returned home yet? Are you usually attached to a computer?
[Edit: Now, after several I wrote a whole new paragraph, and more errors, it decides to show up.
The connection was reset
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
It was something about using software is easy only if you are usually attached to a computer. Mark: Have you returned home yet? Are you usually attached to a computer?
[Edit: Now, after several I wrote a whole new paragraph, and more errors, it decides to show up.
April 5, 2012 at 13:21 |
Alan Baljeu
Alan Baljeu
Thanks, Mark.
I remember your epic "day in the life of AF 4" demo, you had a number of distinctly non work tasks on your list. I'm trying to imagine my Beloved's reaction if I kept popping into the study between jobs. (She has a healthy distrust of my relationship with the Internet.)
No, it's too painful...
I remember your epic "day in the life of AF 4" demo, you had a number of distinctly non work tasks on your list. I'm trying to imagine my Beloved's reaction if I kept popping into the study between jobs. (She has a healthy distrust of my relationship with the Internet.)
No, it's too painful...
April 5, 2012 at 17:49 |
Will
Will
Yeah, well I'm still a big fan of the PTP implementation. That's "Pressed Tree Pulp." Or as you OneNote and EverNote users might call it, "PaperNote."
I won't evangelize, I'll just say I like it simple.
*shrugs* to each their own right?
I won't evangelize, I'll just say I like it simple.
*shrugs* to each their own right?
April 5, 2012 at 17:56 |
Miracle
Miracle
Notepad and mechanical pencil work eminently fine for me, so I see no need to complicate by digitising. But that's just personal preference - horses for courses, I say!
April 5, 2012 at 23:34 |
NeilCumming
NeilCumming
Miracle,
<<Yeah, well I'm still a big fan of the PTP implementation.>>
Have you seen the new PTP 1.4? It's to die for! But there's no Android version yet ...
<<Yeah, well I'm still a big fan of the PTP implementation.>>
Have you seen the new PTP 1.4? It's to die for! But there's no Android version yet ...
April 6, 2012 at 5:57 |
Bernie
Bernie
Bernie: I have not seen PTP 1.4 and although an Android user, I likethe look of Paper as in
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/paper-by-fiftythree/id506003812?mt=8 for theiPad.
I bought my wife the new iPad, our first foray into Apple products. I've been so impressed I've ordered mine, for play and work
I might not use the Paper app as Penultimate integrates with Dropbox and Evernote.
http://www.cocoabox.com/penultimate
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/paper-by-fiftythree/id506003812?mt=8 for theiPad.
I bought my wife the new iPad, our first foray into Apple products. I've been so impressed I've ordered mine, for play and work
I might not use the Paper app as Penultimate integrates with Dropbox and Evernote.
http://www.cocoabox.com/penultimate
April 6, 2012 at 10:01 |
Roger J
Roger J
Miracle- I like PTP much better than DT (Dead Tree) as a paper acronym.
April 6, 2012 at 13:40 |
Lillian
Lillian
Mark:
I noticed in the 1-month poll thread that you've switched back to paper for FV, after using Evernote for a while for that purpose. Would you care to comment on why you made the switch?
I noticed in the 1-month poll thread that you've switched back to paper for FV, after using Evernote for a while for that purpose. Would you care to comment on why you made the switch?
April 18, 2012 at 23:36 |
Nicole
Nicole
I wondered the same thing. Did you just really miss the feel and flexibility of pen on paper, Mark? Or you needed to use Evernote other than on your laptop, and you're not comfortable with Evernote Android?
April 19, 2012 at 8:36 |
sabre23t
sabre23t
I am also curious about the return to paper. Did Evernote encourage tinkering? Other reasons?
April 30, 2012 at 4:48 |
Michael B.
Michael B.
At home I use an A4 folder with looseleaf lined refill sheets. I like the size and the fact that one only needs to have current pages in the folder. It was however too big to take with me. I started my travels with a smaller notebook, but found it was too small for easy use. I then couldn't find an Australian notebook that I liked. I was also keen to try out the Evernote method in any case so it just seemed a natural progression to start using it. I really appreciated its synch abilities too because I had to use several different computers at various stages.
Once I got home and was static again I used Evernote for a few days, but found myself hankering for my big folder.
Once I got home and was static again I used Evernote for a few days, but found myself hankering for my big folder.
April 30, 2012 at 8:59 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
It sounds like you are really enjoying adapting and using Evernote for your FV list. Have you completely given up on using a paper notebook? I must say, I never thought I would have seen the day. :))