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I'm not sure I follow exactly what these nested chains are. Could you explain in more detail or perhaps provide an example?
Regarding the tendency to make a long chain, I find that it typically means I am not being careful enough to answer the right question with a strong since of "now."
Regarding the tendency to make a long chain, I find that it typically means I am not being careful enough to answer the right question with a strong since of "now."
August 9, 2014 at 1:49 |
Austin
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Suppose you have the following list:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
Yuo select the following chain:
*1
2
3
*4
*5
6
7
*8
9
*10
*11
12
13
*14
*15
If the chain is very long (which obviously is not in this simple example) I use the chain itself as a list and I select a new chain on it (double asterisk):
**1
2
3
*4
*5
6
7
*8
9
**10
*11
12
13
*14
**15
and now I execute 15, 10 and 1. Than I select again new items on the first chain:
<del>**1</del>
2
3
**4
*5
6
7
*8
9
<del>**10</del>
**11
12
13
*14
<del>**15</del>
and now I execute 11 and 4.
When all items of the first chain are over, you start again the process.
Again I've to say that this approach could make sense when you have to face a long list from which it is easy to generate long chains.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
Yuo select the following chain:
*1
2
3
*4
*5
6
7
*8
9
*10
*11
12
13
*14
*15
If the chain is very long (which obviously is not in this simple example) I use the chain itself as a list and I select a new chain on it (double asterisk):
**1
2
3
*4
*5
6
7
*8
9
**10
*11
12
13
*14
**15
and now I execute 15, 10 and 1. Than I select again new items on the first chain:
<del>**1</del>
2
3
**4
*5
6
7
*8
9
<del>**10</del>
**11
12
13
*14
<del>**15</del>
and now I execute 11 and 4.
When all items of the first chain are over, you start again the process.
Again I've to say that this approach could make sense when you have to face a long list from which it is easy to generate long chains.
August 9, 2014 at 9:07 |
nick61
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Nick,
It is certainly creative, but I think it shows that you were not answering the right question when you made the first chain. For instance, you dotted 10 after 8, which should mean you wanted to do 10 before 8, but in your first nested chain you decided that you did not want to do 10 before 8. This suggests that when you selected the first chain, you were thinking something like, "What all would I like to do in the next chain?" not "What do I want to do BEFORE I do X?" with a strong sense of "now," not "today" or "in general." The right question leads to much shorter lists.
It is certainly creative, but I think it shows that you were not answering the right question when you made the first chain. For instance, you dotted 10 after 8, which should mean you wanted to do 10 before 8, but in your first nested chain you decided that you did not want to do 10 before 8. This suggests that when you selected the first chain, you were thinking something like, "What all would I like to do in the next chain?" not "What do I want to do BEFORE I do X?" with a strong sense of "now," not "today" or "in general." The right question leads to much shorter lists.
August 9, 2014 at 19:49 |
Austin
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Austin, I'll ponder on your suggestion of answering to the right question.
Thanks
Thanks
August 9, 2014 at 20:08 |
nick61
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Austin makes an extremely good point, but forgetting it for the moment my own experience with nested chains (outside FV) is that the first nested chain one does is fine but then one begins to get increased resistance with subsequent ones. This is because the original full chain is beginning to get stale.
If you are having trouble keeping your chains small then you would be better off doing the first nested chain and then abandoning the rest and repeating the process.
If you are having trouble keeping your chains small then you would be better off doing the first nested chain and then abandoning the rest and repeating the process.
August 10, 2014 at 22:59 |
Mark Forster
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This gives me a sense of being obliged to work along a long fixed path and the resistance grows up.
I found useful, in these cases, to consider the original chain as a list for itself and to select on it a new chain, with the usual rules. I go on with new little nested chains until the original chain is over.
This makes the whole process more dynamic and the resistance loosen down.