FV and FVP Forum > Correction of mistakes
Sorry, Sacherk, I can't undestand what you are saying. I suggest you post it in Russian, and maybe one of the Russian speakers on the forum can translate it.
March 16, 2012 at 11:13 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Марк, благодарю Вас, попробую.
Размещаю на русском языке, возможно, кто-то поможет правильно перевести на английский…
Добрый день всем.
Предлагаю составить список ошибок при работе с FV, например:
1) ошибка: при составлении цепи идти вниз и вверх по списку, следуя по вопросу «что прежде я хочу сделать?».
Правильно: следуя за вопросом, идти только вниз, остановиться или по ответу «ничего», или дойдя до конца списка.
2) ошибка: выбор звеньев цепи не последовательно, друг за другом, а подбор к первому звену.
Правильно: помнить, что точка отсчета- предыдущее звено, а не первое!
3) ошибка: все новые задачи внести в активную цепь с точкой. Так можно бесконечно оставаться в начале делания цепи!
Правильно: задать вопрос «эту задачу хочу сделать прежде...» по отношению к самой нижней задаче в цепи. И тогда включать в цепь или нет.
4) ошибка: делать цепь больше, чем за один день.
Правильно: уменьшать цепь минимум до 2 звеньев, вместе с этим помнить принципы «понемногу и часто», «приступить к задаче (не дожимать до абсолютной победы)», «принцип помидоро (делать хх времени)». Не менее одной цепи в день, лучше больше!
5) переносить задачи в конец списка, ничего не делая ни с самой задачей, ни с формулировкой ее, просто переписать (по любой причине!).
Правильно: либо удалить, либо начать делать.
6) ...
Прошу помочь, если ошибаюсь, ваши мнения. Продолжим список?
Размещаю на русском языке, возможно, кто-то поможет правильно перевести на английский…
Добрый день всем.
Предлагаю составить список ошибок при работе с FV, например:
1) ошибка: при составлении цепи идти вниз и вверх по списку, следуя по вопросу «что прежде я хочу сделать?».
Правильно: следуя за вопросом, идти только вниз, остановиться или по ответу «ничего», или дойдя до конца списка.
2) ошибка: выбор звеньев цепи не последовательно, друг за другом, а подбор к первому звену.
Правильно: помнить, что точка отсчета- предыдущее звено, а не первое!
3) ошибка: все новые задачи внести в активную цепь с точкой. Так можно бесконечно оставаться в начале делания цепи!
Правильно: задать вопрос «эту задачу хочу сделать прежде...» по отношению к самой нижней задаче в цепи. И тогда включать в цепь или нет.
4) ошибка: делать цепь больше, чем за один день.
Правильно: уменьшать цепь минимум до 2 звеньев, вместе с этим помнить принципы «понемногу и часто», «приступить к задаче (не дожимать до абсолютной победы)», «принцип помидоро (делать хх времени)». Не менее одной цепи в день, лучше больше!
5) переносить задачи в конец списка, ничего не делая ни с самой задачей, ни с формулировкой ее, просто переписать (по любой причине!).
Правильно: либо удалить, либо начать делать.
6) ...
Прошу помочь, если ошибаюсь, ваши мнения. Продолжим список?
March 16, 2012 at 13:45 |
Sacherk
Sacherk
Do we have any Russian speakers who can translate Sacherk's post?
March 16, 2012 at 13:53 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
I don't speak Russian, but I think I understand the questions.
1. When selecting tasks, is it okay to stop when you find a task that you know you want to do immediately?
-- It's better to look at the rest of the list anyway, all the way to the end. Even if you think you want to do a task immediately, there may be more urgent items at the end that you aren't completely aware of. When you make your chain, always read through the entire list.
2. ... something about going to the "first" dot instead of the "previous" dot.
-- When you finish working on any task, go to the end of the list and search up to find the first unactioned dotted task. It doesn't matter where in the list you were; when working your list, always start at the end and go up.
3. If all new tasks go at the end of the "chain", won't you always be working the end of the chain and never complete it?
-- New tasks don't always get a dot next to them. New tasks do go at the end of the list, but only urgent tasks get a dot and get put on the current "chain". Your "chain" won't typically get longer, so you can easily complete a "chain" and build new ones.
4. How do you deal with a "chain" of tasks when it takes longer than a day to work the "chain"?
-- Yes, you can use "little and often" techniques and Pomodoro timers to help get through the chain quickly. Most people get through four or five chains in a day. Sometimes, though, you just can't be that quick. Simply start the next day at the end of the chain and keep working.
5. What does it take to move a task to the end?
-- If you take ANY action on a task, it may be moved to the end. Task action may be as little as saying "I can't possibly do anything on this task right now." Move it to the end! However, if you decide you don't want to do it at all, delete it. And if you finish it, well then there's no reason to write it again!
If I've misinterpreted anything, Sacherk, please let me know. Hopefully, I've helped.
1. When selecting tasks, is it okay to stop when you find a task that you know you want to do immediately?
-- It's better to look at the rest of the list anyway, all the way to the end. Even if you think you want to do a task immediately, there may be more urgent items at the end that you aren't completely aware of. When you make your chain, always read through the entire list.
2. ... something about going to the "first" dot instead of the "previous" dot.
-- When you finish working on any task, go to the end of the list and search up to find the first unactioned dotted task. It doesn't matter where in the list you were; when working your list, always start at the end and go up.
3. If all new tasks go at the end of the "chain", won't you always be working the end of the chain and never complete it?
-- New tasks don't always get a dot next to them. New tasks do go at the end of the list, but only urgent tasks get a dot and get put on the current "chain". Your "chain" won't typically get longer, so you can easily complete a "chain" and build new ones.
4. How do you deal with a "chain" of tasks when it takes longer than a day to work the "chain"?
-- Yes, you can use "little and often" techniques and Pomodoro timers to help get through the chain quickly. Most people get through four or five chains in a day. Sometimes, though, you just can't be that quick. Simply start the next day at the end of the chain and keep working.
5. What does it take to move a task to the end?
-- If you take ANY action on a task, it may be moved to the end. Task action may be as little as saying "I can't possibly do anything on this task right now." Move it to the end! However, if you decide you don't want to do it at all, delete it. And if you finish it, well then there's no reason to write it again!
If I've misinterpreted anything, Sacherk, please let me know. Hopefully, I've helped.
March 16, 2012 at 16:29 |
jFenter
jFenter
Also, I think Sacherk was proposing something like an FAQ to address common misinterpretations or misapplications of the rules.
March 16, 2012 at 17:14 |
Seraphim
Seraphim
seraphim:
I've been thinking of having a FAQ page. Just as well I'm on holiday. It means I've got time to do all this work!
I've been thinking of having a FAQ page. Just as well I'm on holiday. It means I've got time to do all this work!
March 16, 2012 at 23:55 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
jFenter,
Thanks, all are true, except №2:
There is a list 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10.
- The error to make a chain: 1-what before?-3, 1-what before?-4, 1-what before?-10. We work 10-4-3-1.
- Correctly: 1-what before?-3, 3-what before?-5, 5-what before?-9. We work 9-5-3-1.
Mark, Seraphim,
So!
It is very necessary FAQ to address common misinterpretations or misapplications of the rules....!
Thanks, all are true, except №2:
There is a list 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10.
- The error to make a chain: 1-what before?-3, 1-what before?-4, 1-what before?-10. We work 10-4-3-1.
- Correctly: 1-what before?-3, 3-what before?-5, 5-what before?-9. We work 9-5-3-1.
Mark, Seraphim,
So!
It is very necessary FAQ to address common misinterpretations or misapplications of the rules....!
March 20, 2012 at 7:59 |
Sacherk
Sacherk
I apologize for my bad English :) …
I suggest to make the list of errors at work with FV, for example:
1) an error: at chain drawing up to go downwards and upwards under the list, following on a question «that before I want to make?».
Correctly: following a question, to go only downwards, to stop or under the answer of "anything", or having reached the list end.
2) an error: a choice of links of a chain it is not consecutive, one after another, and selection to the first link.
Correctly: to remember that a readout - point the previous link, instead of the first!
3) an error: all new problems to bring in an active chain with a point. So it is possible to remain infinitely in the beginning of making of a chain!
Correctly: to ask a question «this problem I want to make before...» In relation to the lowermost problem in a chain. And then to include in a chain or not.
4) an error: to do a chain more than for one day.
Correctly: to reduce a chain a minimum to 2 links, together with it to remember principles «gradually and often», «to start a problem (not дожимать to an absolute victory)», «a principle помидоро (to do хх time)». Not less in day, it is more than one chain better!
5) to transfer problem in list end, nothing doing neither with the problem, nor with its formulation, simply to copy (for any reason!).
Correctly: either to remove, or to start to do.
6)...
I ask to help, if I am mistaken, your opinions. We will continue the list?