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FV Forum > NEW! Screencast: Evernote & FV (better quality, better workflow (courtesy of Mr. Forster)

Enjoy: http://youtu.be/7BwmYBXCo-Y

Some workflow bits:

* Almost all notes get an additional project tag (mostly during my weekly review)
* Waiting notes/tasks get the "waiting" tag
* I use the body of the note for links to files, updates on task/project and breadcrumbs i.e. where I left off when I last worked on this task/project

Mark - you've created a killer system! As well, you've also managed to address one of the top questions on GTD forums: "Ok, I've got the whole thing setup, now what?"
March 21, 2012 at 18:52 | Registered Commenteravrum
That's a really nice implementation Avrum, I don't really use Evernote as I haven't got the premium version which allows for offline use. I use Springpad which allows me to view notes on my android phone. You can set up a similar workflow in Springpad, in fact in some ways it's even more powerful as you can add checklists and use the board function for a more visual approach. But for me it starts to become too clunky linking all tasks to projects especially in Springpad where everything seems to require an extra click.

You've given me food for thought. If I could get more daily use out of Evernote it might make more sense to upgrade to the full package.
March 21, 2012 at 19:41 | Unregistered CommenterShak
Thumbs up Avrum!
March 21, 2012 at 19:49 | Unregistered CommenterStefano F. Rausch
<<You've given me food for thought.>>

Shak - my oldest note is dated: 13 November, 2008 12:13 AM

I have 4 + years of client notes (saved offline), scanned nostalgic items (drawings, letters from my girlfriend, now wife) & attempted productivity systems saved in Evernote. On rainy days, I go back and read these notes like a journal. Lovely.

I'm ashamed to admit how much software I've purchased/tried (Omnifocus iPhone & Mac App, Thigns iPhone & Mac App.... ugh), only to return to Evernote. Until FV, I couldn't find a system that worked with Evernote's features. While my mind is closer to Woody Allen than "still water"(GTD reference), it simply makes sense to park, find and do everything in one place.
March 21, 2012 at 20:13 | Registered Commenteravrum
@ Shak
You don't need premium Evernote to work offline - that basic version does that. Premium does let you share and edit notes with other people though.

@Avrum - love your walkthrough - more please!
March 21, 2012 at 22:33 | Unregistered CommenterDavidG
Can you reverse order sort on the iPhone and iPad versions of Evernote?
March 21, 2012 at 22:34 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Drake
@David Drake - no, you would need to start from the bottom, and work up. No biggie for me, but I rarely use the iPhone for this sort of thing.

@DavidG - thanks! I'm thinking of creating a screencast demoing a quick weekly review, bread crumbs and a few other tricks.
March 21, 2012 at 23:05 | Registered Commenteravrum
avrum:

Very good screencast, and I'm glad my suggestion works even on an Apple!

Now I might even try it out myself.
March 22, 2012 at 3:08 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
<<Very good screencast>>

Merci beaucoup.
March 22, 2012 at 3:38 | Registered Commenteravrum
I think Avrum's version on Evernote is excellent as I've already said.

Apart from the ease of the system itself, there are huge advantages in doing FV on a program like Evernote.

For a start you don't need to be able to access the internet to work on it. It will synchonize across all your apps. If you've failed to back up your computer and it dies on you, it doesn't matter because you can recover it all from the Evernote website.

You can tag tasks, search them, hyperlink to other tasks or notes, include notes in the task, and put documents and the like straight into the system. If you're writing a book or article you can write it directly into your task without it disrupting the list. By using tags, you can work on a subset of your complete list.

It's streets beyond any program that only works on a straight list.
March 22, 2012 at 4:00 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
@DavidG: I'm seeing $4.99 per month for offline access or $44.99 per year. Is that just for the mobile apps?

@avrum: I work the list almost exclusively from my iPhone and iPad. I don't always have internet access and I like to keep the input boxes with me at all times. That's a bit too steep of a price for me. Plus, the process involved in adding and removing tasks was ridiculously cumbersome on the iPhone app (I haven't tried it on the iPad). Am I missing something there? Your screencast looks good and simple enough, but I'd love to see a mobile screencast to see how you accomplish the same steps. I don't think you would be happy with the amount of work involved. But I didn't spend a lot of time, so please correct me if I'm missing some helpful shortcuts to tag in Evernote mobile apps.
March 22, 2012 at 5:10 | Unregistered CommenterBrad
<bumping this newer screencast to top>

LIke Brad, I'm looking for working FV on mobile (Android) mainly . Being able to work on mobile and desktop browser (WindowsXP/Chrome) simultaneously is a bonus.

I've just installed Evernote 3.5.3 Android. I'll try to replicate your desktop workflow on my mobile after my next meeting. ;-)
March 22, 2012 at 6:18 | Unregistered Commentersabre23t
Brad:

the premium-version syncs *all* your notes to the iPhone so you have them available offline. In the regular version, only notes that you previously accessed on the iPhone while online are available offline. The premium-fee works for all apps: you pay for the premium fee, then all platforms where you've installed EverNote (iPhone, iPad, Mac, Windows, web) know that you're a premium user.

I have a premium-account, but I find the interface on the iPhone rather cumbersome, so I only use that for accessing checklists or looking up information, and never for making changes to notes or adding notes. Plus I've had changes I made on the iPhone disappear, so I'm not very confident of the sync between iPhone and website. I haven't tried the iPad-interface yet, it looks a bit more usable than the iPhone-interface.

I use EverNote a lot though for keeping track of notes, ideas, articles I'm writing etc, but not for keeping my FV-list.
March 22, 2012 at 9:34 | Unregistered CommenterNicole
Same comment as in the http://www.markforster.net/fv-forum/post/1755772 thread.

@ Mark Forster: I couldn't agree more! Evernote ( EN ) is a ( nearly ) perfect working environment for … projects. And that's the reason why it is my first choice in that respect.

However, as some others have already pointed out, EN Desktop and EN Mobile do differ in a few aspects, amongst others:

-- different way of handling the view of tags : doesn't reflect the desktop structure on the mobile side, just one long list to scroll through.

-- to the mobile environment adapted handling of notes, which is more than acceptable, if you are on the run and complements the working with the desktop version.

What I'm seeking is a magical balance between a simple, but powerful way of tackling non-project related tasks and your Final Version Time Management System. By the way, I am applying FV within EN for projects ;)

The ( system ) setup should reflect the beauty of paper and pen as well as the power of electronic data manipulation, if the need arises. Furthermore, to pick up the hat analogy, I do like to work focused in a "simple task" mode and in a "complex project" mode. Both ways are fun - and that is important, but do have different ways of being handled efficiently and effectively. At least that is my understanding:

-- simple task mode : most of the cases one doesn't have to keep in mind complex relationships between different tasks or conditions to be applied. The job is usually straight forward. - Here EN does not excel. *astrongandcontroversialstatementupfordiscussion*

-- complex project mode : the starting point is literally the opposite to the "simple task mode". Relationships between, dependencies of other and preconditions for tasks - just to name a few variables to take notice of - do mandate a different setup, to be in the position to fully grasp the big picture as well as to handle the tiniest detail. - Here EN excels!

I think that in my opinion I currently have found the best choice for myself for the "simple task" mode with TaskPaper. However, I don't want to argue that there are possibly very good alternatives to it. Of the top of my head Notational Velocity does spring into my mind … it really boils down to one's each personal preferences and the own working style.

Conclusion: Every approach is good as long as one does believe in it and feels comfortable with it. No doubts about that!

P.S.: It's nice to exchange views :)
March 22, 2012 at 9:44 | Unregistered CommenterStefano F. Rausch
Stefano:

<< -- different way of handling the view of tags doesn't reflect the desktop structure on the mobile side, just one long list to scroll through. >>

I don't have EN Mobile so I don't know exactly how it works, but if it's possible to tag tasks and then possible to show only those tasks with a particular tag, then I would have thought that it would work fine for FV.- even if not quite the same way as in avrum's screencast.

<< -- simple task mode : ... The job is usually straight forward. - Here EN does not excel. >>

Not sure why you say this. Did I miss something in your argument? So far I have only used EN for simple FV tasks and I would say it does excel - in fact is much quicker than paper and pencil (and that's quite some statement from me as up to now I have much preferred paper and pencil).
March 22, 2012 at 11:33 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
The iPhone & Productivity

For me, this has (almost) always been an oxymoron. I detest typing on the thing, and would never, not for a second, consider this my primary method of getting anything done. But that's me. Everyone needs to find what works for them.
March 22, 2012 at 11:57 | Registered Commenteravrum
Brad:

<<I'd love to see a mobile screencast >>

Only if it demonstrates how I listen to podcasts. Besides that, the phone, camera, a workout app (Fitness Builder - brilliant) and Maps, I don't really use it for anything else.
March 22, 2012 at 12:03 | Registered Commenteravrum
Thanks to both of you, Mark and Avrum, works like a dream on Evernote and I'm using the free version.

I appreciated avrum's candour where he mentioned "attempted productivity systems", a lot of us have been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

What I really like is that one can drop notes, snippets, links, text anything in relation to a task so that one can see what's been done so far.

Internet's been a bit iffy here in Kampala, Uganda (thanks partly to a ship dragging its anchor over the East Africa undersea cable in Mombasa last month), but today I managed to view avrum's clip. My smartphone does not give a mirror image with sorting, but I can live with that, new tasks added on EN on the smartphone should be sorted the right way when it uploads/downloads to my desktop version.

avrum tags his caih as Do, I call mine FV Chain, to each his own.

[The advantage of Do rather than FV Chain as a tag in Evernote is that it's nearer the top of the list of tags if you have lots of them (as I do)- MF]
March 22, 2012 at 12:23 | Unregistered CommenterRoger J
<<What I really like is that one can drop notes, snippets, links, text anything in relation to a task so that one can see what's been done so far.>>

Exactly. Evernote is as close to ubiquitous capture (GTD) mixed with task/project management that I've come across.

Side note: I use the free version of Dragon Dictation (iPhone) to send notes directly to Evernote. Anything to avoid typing on a phone... anything!
March 22, 2012 at 12:48 | Registered Commenteravrum
<< Anything to avoid typing on a phone... anything! >>

I don't type on my Samsung Galaxy SII (SGS2). I SWYPE. :-) I find swyping is about as fast as two finger typing on my desktop keyboard. That's about half as fast as I can touch type with all 10 fingers. So, if I can get transparent Evernote switching between mobile and desktop, I would be typing on my desktop keyboard when at my desk.

I was going to try some simplistic comparison between FV workflow on evernote android vs desktop/browser (evernote web). Then I found evernote web doesn't have keyboard shortcuts (unlike gmail). So I'm downloading evernote windows 4.5.4 and will do the comparison later.

Anyway, my brief play around with evernote android indicates it's not too bad, as I feared ...
March 22, 2012 at 16:26 | Unregistered Commentersabre23t
Avrum: <<The iPhone & Productivity: For me, this has (almost) always been an oxymoron. I detest typing on the thing, and would never, not for a second, consider this my primary method of getting anything done. But that's me. Everyone needs to find what works for them.>>

Anyone that can use a PDA for GTD isn't busy enough. [kvet.ch]
Anyone that can use GTD for Time Management isn't busy enough. [Nicole's corrolary]
March 22, 2012 at 16:51 | Unregistered CommenterNicole
Avrum:

I think Evernote might not work well if your preselected list is left unfinished. In that case, Mark recommends "starting from the last task on the pre-select list, reselect from there to the end of the list". But this can't be done in Evernote, since all pre-selected tasks will already have been moved to the end of the list.

[That's a good point, though one can still bring individual tasks forward if they are urgent. Oddly enough seeing the preselect list on its own seems to have considerably reduced my desire to add tasks to it - I haven't felt the need to do it once even when I got up this morning. - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 17:11 | Unregistered CommenterFSE
<<I think Evernote might not work well>>

As far as I can tell, Evernote and FV (the main rules) play nicely.

My definition of "work well" is the following:

1. I trust my system
2. I use my system
3. I like looking at, and using, the tool that supports my system
4. At the end of the week, I have a sense that my major goals are moving forward

To date, FV & Evernote (Mac and iPhone) meet the above criteria.
March 22, 2012 at 18:00 | Registered Commenteravrum
When you sign up for Evernote, they give you an email address. Anything you email to that address goes to the default notebook (aka inbox). There are quick codes to designate folder or tag. I find that very useful.

(definition: Notebook = collection of notes)

Evernote apps are free for all devices. You pay for the premium account features. According to the forums, it's safe to pay some months and not others. You lose the premium features (automatic syncing of entire notebooks and ability to share with friends), but your notes are safe, and you can upgrade again easily.

With the iPod Touch, Evernote will store whichever version of a note you downloaded to the iPod. You can edit it offline. It will send any changes you make to the master version next time you're online. You can "star" individual notes, which will then stay in sync with the master (online) copy whenever you're online.

The PlayBook app might have been a good start, but currently you can't even type on it. When you type, it repeats words and letters. (The recent comments agree. The earlier version you could at least type and sync with). It doesn't support any of the premium features, yet. I side-loaded the Android app. It supports some of the premium features. It's not as nice as Docs2Go for typing, but it works. Offline use is the same as the iPod, but you can't set individual notes to stay synced.

With the paid subscription, you can apparently set entire notebooks to stay in sync. It only syncs the notebooks you tell it -- which is good if your database is larger than your device. You set the synced notebooks in each device.

I played around with syncing attachments. I don't remember the details, but docx files created or edited on the iPod can't be created or edited on the PlayBook, and vice-versa. Anything created on a mobile device can be edited on the laptop, but when I created a docx file on the playbook, attached it to Evernote on the playbook, synched it, edited it on the laptop, and synched again, the PlayBook said the file was corrupt. Very frustrating. I've also tried Box.net and DropBox, since I have several large docx files I want to carry with me and edit, and they had the same result, so the problem is probably the apps that edit the files, not Evernote (but it's still frustrating).
March 22, 2012 at 18:02 | Unregistered CommenterCricket
<<Anyone that can use a PDA for GTD isn't busy enough. [kvet.ch]
Anyone that can use GTD for Time Management isn't busy enough. [Nicole's corrolary] >>

Nicole - funny and true.

Though I'd add the following to your 2nd point:
"Anyone that can use GTD for Time Management isn't busy enough (or focusing on the right** things)"

** http://www.43folders.com/2010/02/05/first-care
March 22, 2012 at 18:03 | Registered Commenteravrum
My paper notebook was on the penultimate page, so I have been doing avrum's EN method today (Windows desktop version).
It does work. I am not yet convinced that it is better than paper. But there are obvious advantages: searchability, better penmanship, links to notes and files, hyperlinks to web sites, easy processing of recurring tasks, elimination of clutter from completed tasks, and lots of space (sometimes it was hard for me to fit a lot of info in my paper notebook).
I did DWM in Excel for over a year (and was very happy with it), so I have nothing against digital systems. But I know I would have stayed with paper FV for another few weeks had Mark not given EN his Forster Seal of Approval.
Thank you Mark and avrum!

[The biggest advantage I have found is the ability to focus on just the Preselect list - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 18:34 | Registered Commentermoises
Avrum: <<As far as I can tell, Evernote and FV (the main rules) play nicely.>>

Then perhaps there's a hidden feature that I'm missing. Can you please explain to me how to proceed down the list from the last dotted (tagged) task? I can't seem to do it, because tagged tasks don't stay in their original position.

[I don't think you can. At least I can't think of a way. But I'm not sure it matters that much. - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 18:38 | Unregistered CommenterFSE
In the Windows version, Alt+Shift+D or Ctrl+; (semi-colon) will give you the current date and time.

If the first part of a each task is the time you entered it, you can sort by that. If you make that time in the future, it becomes a tickler and automatically joins the list at the right time.

I think. I haven't actually tried it. It's sitting around the middle of my list, promising me it won't be at all like the that other program, or that one, or that one.

Off to check PlayBook and iPod and Android.

[You can't use the Created time to sort by because recurrent tasks keep their original created time. However you can use your great tickler idea by changing the Updated time. - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 18:56 | Unregistered CommenterCricket
Nope, PlayBook and Android apps don't claim to have shortcuts for date entry. (Add to bottom of FV list: Access Evernote through the web on both devices, see what I can do.)

Another option:

On Windows, you can edit the date a note was created. It's a bit tricky to find. Find the title of the note. Look to the right. There's a drop-down list of your notebooks, a circle that I don't understand, and a tiny down arrow. Click the down arrow to see date created, author, history, source URL, and other things. Click date created.

(Add to FV list: Does this work on devices via web interface?)

I'm with FSE. I don't like sorting by date updated. Tasks update themselves every time I blink. If I add a tag or add extra notes without actually doing the task, it updates and moves to the bottom of the list. If I want to avoid something, I just have to add "I don't want to do this today either," in the body of the notes.

[Doesn't adding tags or extra notes to a task count as doing some work on it? In that case it should move to the end of the list. - MF]

The note section looks useful. It can keep track of where I am in a large project, or when I did a task last, or the how-to page for something complicated.

You can also copy a task by right-clicking.

BTW, on Windows, ctrl-click selects (and unselects) individual items in a list. Shift-click selects all between. This is in many programs, including Excel, File Manager and iTunes. Very useful.
March 22, 2012 at 19:25 | Unregistered CommenterCricket
Another way might be to sort by date created instead of updated. But this means that unfinished tasks will have to be duplicated, then deleted. A little kludgy, but it seems to work.

[I would think that the downside of losing the automatic re-entry of unfinished and recurrent tasks would be far greater than the minor inconvenience of not being able to identify the original position of the last unactioned task on the Preselect list. Especially as there is no problem over adding individual urgent tasks to the list. - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 19:38 | Unregistered CommenterFSE
FSW:

<<Then perhaps there's a hidden feature that I'm missing.>>

I think you're referring to Mark's suggestion(s) on how to handle an outdated pre-selection:

" 1. scrap the preselection and reselect from the beginning
2. ... reselect only from the last preselected task which you haven't done yet."

IMHO, these two points don't make/break FV, they're merely suggestions on what to do with an old list. Alas, if they're important to your workflow, you may need to look elsewhere.

[I agree. And there's no problem adding individual urgent items to the preselect list. - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 20:34 | Registered Commenteravrum
@ Mark Forster: As said, I like to use the best available device depending on the location and situation. Furthermore, I do like to have - as far as possible and as long as it does make sense - a nearly identical user experience on the Mac, the iPad and the iPhone.

I do accept that EN does not fulfil this last requirement for project management. I don't mind that I have to use the "same" application in 3 different ways to achieve the same result - even though I would love not to. The notes are truly "rich notes" that can contain any additional information. This attribute / feature is so valuable / indispensable that I am ready to accept the trade off.

However, for the "simple task" mode I described in my previous post, I don't want to switch gears. I don't want to think in 2 / 3 different ways how to handle the list.

And that's the reason why in my opinion EN does not excel for the Time Management System you have disclosed to us, whereas TaskPaper et al. do.

<< So far I have only used EN for simple FV tasks and I would say it does excel - in fact is much quicker than paper and pencil (and that's quite some statement from me as up to now I have much preferred paper and pencil). >>

If by chance one of your friends does own an iPhone and / or and iPad, ask them to install EN and have a look how the workflow ( preferably Avrum's one, which BTW is great on the Desktop version ) comes across to you. I do assume that you are using the desktop version.

[I don't unfortunately in the middle of the Australian outback have any access to iPad or iPhone. But my very limited experience of using a Mac and an iPad is that just about everything has to be done differently anyway. I did not find moving from an iPad to a Mac (as I had to do at one stage after my laptop broke) to be a seamless experience - far from it. I suspect the same would be true of iPhone. So why pick on Evernote as the one application that must have the same user experience? - MF]
March 22, 2012 at 21:47 | Unregistered CommenterStefano F. Rausch
<<TaskPaper et al. do.>>

Ah TaskPaper, how I wanted to love thee. But the sync was often wonky, the language geeky enough that it led to endless hacking and the user experience on the iPhone was meh. Moreover, so many of my emails become tasks/projects, I need to be able to bcc replies/forwards to a trusted system.
March 22, 2012 at 21:55 | Registered Commenteravrum
What an explosion of posts in this thread!

Like sabre, I also use Swype on my SG2, great. However, I'm not using it all day, so I'll take the mobile 'disadvantages'.

What I also like about EN/Avrum's incarnation is that it is closest to a paper system and lacks the overhead some apps have, unless you want to add that overhead.
March 22, 2012 at 22:22 | Unregistered CommenterRoger J
The problem of being on Queensland time is that while I'm enjoying a good night's sleep you all are busy filling up the Comments threads!

There are so many new posts on this thread this morning (Queensland time) that I've had to revert to putting my answers in square brackets within the post itself.
March 22, 2012 at 23:19 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
You can edit the date created, at least in the Windows version, and then sort on date created. That way, you can ignore date updated.

If I count adding an extra note when I think of them as "touching the task", then many of my tasks will keep moving forward, and I'll keep not actually working on them, just adding ideas. They'll never reach the dreaded "first unactioned" spot.
March 22, 2012 at 23:50 | Unregistered CommenterCricket
Cricket:

<< You can edit the date created, at least in the Windows version, and then sort on date created. That way, you can ignore date updated. >>

But that means that every time you move on from an unfinished or recurring task, you have to spend time editing the date created. For what purpose? As far as I can see it's a huge overhead to achieve virtually nothing.

You can also edit the date updated btw.
March 23, 2012 at 0:48 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Avrum:

I was having a problem in that every time I tagged tasks with "DO" Evernote changed the notebook back to my default notebook. That then meant I had to fiddle around changing it back so that new tasks went into the right notebook.

To overcome this, I've changed the "DO" button in the Favourites bar to a saved search for "notes from the FV List notebook matching All of the following: tagged with DO".

If I keep the "Search Explanation" bar open, it is then an easy matter to toggle between the Full List and the DO list (preselected list).
March 23, 2012 at 0:57 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
<<I was having a problem in that every time I tagged tasks with "DO" Evernote changed the notebook back to my default notebook.>>

Sorry Mark, I'm not following. Are you sure your default notebook IS your default notebook. To do this:

Right click on the notebook --> Choose "Notebook settings --> Ensure "Make this my default notebook" is checked

I've never ran into this problem.
March 23, 2012 at 1:24 | Registered Commenteravrum
Avrum:

I'm sorry, I worded that wrong. What I meant to say was that every time I press the DO button Evernote shows all notes tagged DO from *all* notebooks. This in itself wouldn't matter as I only have DO notes in the FV Notebook. The problem is that any new notes then start going into my default notebook (In-Box) instead of the FV List notebook.

I could of course solve the problem by making FV List my default notebook. But then I would find it difficult to use Evernote for anything else, as all new notes would go into the FV List.
March 23, 2012 at 1:42 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
<<I could of course solve the problem by making FV List my default notebook>>

Ah... I see this as an advantage (for my situation anyway). My default notebook is my FV notebook.
March 23, 2012 at 1:45 | Registered Commenteravrum
Mark, Stefano,
<<But my very limited experience of using a Mac and an iPad is that just about everything has to be done differently anyway. I did not find moving from an iPad to a Mac (as I had to do at one stage after my laptop broke) to be a seamless experience - far from it. I suspect the same would be true of iPhone.>>

The iPad and iPhone are supposed to be (and reportedly are) very much the same experience, whereas the Mac computer is entirely different. This is because Apple invented an entirely separate operating system, "iOS," for its mobile devices.

With the very latest release of the main (non-mobile) OS, they are beginning to incorporate some of the iOS features into the Mac environment. They hope to make the two converge, but it will be a while before that happens.

I say this as a Mac user but not an iPhone/iPad user. This is what I've read about it from Apple and heard from friends with iOS devices.
March 23, 2012 at 1:50 | Registered CommenterBernie
Avrum:

Well, of course if you want it that way for yourself that's fine. But I don't, and I suspect that quite a few others may not too. So if you want to offer the option, then my method works pretty well.
March 23, 2012 at 1:51 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Cricket:

<< Find the title of the note. Look to the right. There's a drop-down list of your notebooks, a circle that I don't understand, >>

The circle is one of the most useful and worst documented features of Evernote (which is saying something!). If you drag it, it will drop a hyperlink to the note into just about any Windows application, including other Evernote notes or even itself (which is useful if you are going to copy the note to another notebook and want to be able to get back to the original).
March 23, 2012 at 1:58 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
FSE wrote:
<< But this can't be done in Evernote, since all pre-selected tasks will already have been moved to the end of the list. >>

I don't find this to be true for Evernote Windows 4.5.4 or Evernote Android 3.5.3.

When preselecting using tagging/untagging "!Do" of a note/task, it doesn't change the Updated date/time of the note. So, when you go to all (or FV notebook) view those note/task you didn't update (change title or contents) would be in the original sort by updated date/time location.

Hence, I don't have problem "reselect only from the last preselected task which you haven't done yet". I just switch to FV notebook view (sorted by updated, latest on top) and search for note with "!Do" tag nearest to top.
March 23, 2012 at 7:05 | Registered Commentersabre23t
sabre23t:

Yes, you're right. I took FSE's word for it without actually trying it myself.

Evernote PC Desktop only changes the time in the Updated column if a change is made to the body of the note. Changes to the tags or to the note title don't change it. (My version is 4.5.4.6487 (234804) Public).

Afternote: This can't be right. Otherwise the tasks wouldn't rise to the top of the list when they have been completed. I can see myself spending all day examining the behaviour of Evernote notes!
March 23, 2012 at 7:16 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Mark,

I just tried that 'moving circle' technique by dragging it to another notebook where it appeared.

However it was no long visible in the FV list where it was. So the dragging seems to take the note itself and not set up a link.

Is my age-related dementia coming to the fore again?
March 23, 2012 at 8:30 | Unregistered CommenterRoger J
Roger J:

Yes, that's because it's also a way of copying a note into another notebook. It hasn't moved the note - it's copied it. So you now have two copies of it.

Now try dragging the circle into the body of another note. (you will need to open one of the notes to do this). You'll find it leaves a hyperlink.

You can now amuse yourself by seeing what happens if you drag it into Outlook Tasks, Word, and other similar programs.
March 23, 2012 at 10:33 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Mark wrote:
<<Evernote PC Desktop only changes the time in the Updated column if a change is made to the body of the note. Changes to the tags or to the note title don't change it. (My version is 4.5.4.6487 (234804) Public).>>

I have the same version, which I installed near the end of the day yesterday.
Yesterday, the notes were updating when I would remove the "Do" tag. That was nice, because in List View I sort by Updated, ascending.
Today, as Mark noted, notes are not updating when I change tags, or even when I change titles. As Mark says, we must change the body of the note. This is not as nice.
For now, I am typing a random character in the bottom of the note in order to maintain a proper sort order. I got spoiled yesterday.
March 23, 2012 at 12:37 | Registered Commentermoises
But now it seems to have reverted to yesterday's behavior. A mere change in tag is sufficient to changed the Updated time. That's good. But I do not understand why it was not behaving this way earlier.
March 23, 2012 at 12:55 | Registered Commentermoises

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