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Oct122018

Top 10 Reasons Simple Scanning is the Best of All Possible Systems

 Here are ten reasons why Simple Scanning is not just the best system so far discovered, but also the best of all possible systems. 

  1. No need to categorize, prioritize or standardize
  2. Weekly reviews not needed
  3. Resistance is non-existent
  4. Everything is enjoyable
  5. You can see clearly what you have done and what you haven’t
  6. Intuition rules
  7. No need to weed the list
  8. Maximizes the time available
  9. Nothing gets missed out
  10. You can put everything on the list

Reader Comments (42)

Mark

Do you use separate project work sheets/dynamic lists for some tasks or do you add the smaller tasks directly into your Simple Scanning list?
October 12, 2018 at 11:01 | Registered CommenterCaibre65
Caibre65:

The great thing about Simple Scanning is that it is flexible enough to do either. But my own personal preference is to put as much as possible into the Simple Scanning list.
October 12, 2018 at 11:12 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Interesting ideas here, Mark. I'm knee-deep in the iPad/Apple Pencil world, and think these rules can work wonderfully with those tools. I'm going to try this for a few days and report back.
October 12, 2018 at 16:13 | Registered Commenteravrum
Hi Mark. Glad to read you and to see that I came to the same conclusion. The past months I ran through the "Mark Forster project": read your books and articles and try your different systems. I finally came to the same end: the long list and simple scanning came to be the best method. It combines simplicity in rules with a very profound "complexity" in it's results.
Another thing I discover is that the only other method that I kept was the dialogs from "How to make your dreams come true". Not the vision and reality; maybe the whats better list on occassions, but the dialogs... It's strange, but they provide some sense of distance, calm and perspective.
October 12, 2018 at 19:10 | Unregistered CommenterPablo
Thanks for the update. Do you have any new insights on how SS beats FFVP?
October 13, 2018 at 4:35 | Unregistered CommenterBernie
Bernie:

<< Do you have any new insights on how SS beats FFVP? >>

1. Because FFVP uses pre-selection, I find I experience more resistance than with SS.

2. SS ensures the whole list is scanned equally, which doesn't happen with FFVP.

3. I find I have more sense of control over the list as a whole with SS than I do with FFVP

4. FFVP is heavily weighted towards the end of the list rather than the beginning. SS is evenly weighted over the entire list.

5. There's a greater tendency to spend too much time chasing the end of the list with FFVP.

I realise some of these are quite subjective and reflect my own personal preferences, and I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from using FFVP if it suits their personal style better than SS.
October 13, 2018 at 10:52 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
I don't know Mark, I like the feeling of "closed lists" of AF1 more than the large list of SS, especially if paired with a more relaxed dismissal system than the original, which makes it as fast as FAF and yet also self-controls its size. Although if so would you be able to say the advantages of SS over a such tweaked AF1?
October 13, 2018 at 14:49 | Registered Commenternuntym
I think Mark hits on some important insights about Simple Scanning here: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2017/12/13/simple-scanning-clumping-attenuation-and-maturity.html

“Routines are the basis of all good work.” <— something Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) recommends in his talks/books ie Systems over goals
October 13, 2018 at 15:01 | Registered Commenteravrum
nuntym:

<< Although if so would you be able to say the advantages of SS over a such tweaked AF1? >>

Since you haven't said what the more relaxed dismissal system would be, I can't answer specifically. However as a general comment my experience is that the shorter a list is the greater the proportion of tasks will be that get actioned.

So for instance the 10 Task system in which you count off blocks of ten tasks and treat them as a virtual page usually results in a high proportion of the tasks being actioned. With AF1 the page in my notebook is 31 tasks. Fewer tasks proportionately will get actioned than with the 10 Task method, but the proportion will be greater than with Simple Scanning in which the "page" is the whole list.

The difference therefore is between progressing through the list slowly or fast. I think fast is better because 1) it means urgent tasks can be actioned quickly and 2) the whole list is kept in mind better - stuff doesn't get lost.
October 13, 2018 at 17:36 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
I son't experience 5 or 7. 5, because operating on my iphone, deleted tasks disappear and there is no record of what I have done. 7 possibly because I am not always in the list, but there is a definite need to weed things.
October 14, 2018 at 4:32 | Registered CommenterAlan Baljeu
Mark:

How many tasks are on your SS list these days? Approximately how much time would it take you to scan the whole list?

I would like to experiment and copy your speed and see what happens.
October 14, 2018 at 10:42 | Unregistered CommenterLaby
Laby:

<< How many tasks are on your SS list these days? >>

As of this minute, 86.

<< Approximately how much time would it take you to scan the whole list? >>

On a full working day, I would probably get round the whole list three or four times. On a day-off like today (Sunday) it would be more than that because I would be skipping over the weekday work tasks. (I use one list for everything).
October 14, 2018 at 11:32 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Alan Baljeu:

<< operating on my iphone, deleted tasks disappear and there is no record of what I have done. >>

This is a matter of which app you are using and how you have set it up. If you want to be able to see what you have done, then I'm sure it's possible - even on an iPhone. If you prefer deleted tasks to disappear, then leave it as it is.

<< there is a definite need to weed things. >>

I didn't put it very clearly, but what I meant was is that there is no need for a formal weeding rule. You can of course delete anything that's no longer relevant at any time.
October 14, 2018 at 11:40 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
No rule, but I will irregularly come to see the list as stale and then I do go through the whole and chuck things.

Regarding apps, in fact my issue is copying. I can certainly mark something Done in its place, but if it's not done and merely set aside, it's more tedious to reenter at the end as I would have to copy the text and make a new entry at the end. I'm sure a different tool wouldn't have this issue but I like the current one very much.
October 14, 2018 at 15:56 | Registered CommenterAlan Baljeu
Mark -

I've started using Simple Scanning and - almost immediately - began to appreciate the thinking behind the rules. Question:

A lot of my day has fits and starts. Small children that need to be supervised... a private practice whereby I'll have 10/15 minutes before/after a client's session.

Would you coach someone to use their list during these small breaks of 5, 10, 15 minutes? Do you suggest using the list for only larger chunks of time? Curious to hear your thoughts.
October 14, 2018 at 22:22 | Registered Commenteravrum
avrum:

<< Would you coach someone to use their list during these small breaks of 5, 10, 15 minutes? >>

Definitely, yes. During the course of a day these small breaks add up to a significant amount of time. That fits neatly into the little but often scenario.
October 15, 2018 at 18:49 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
I do think that my 5/30 rule will enhance this system as discussed before Mark.
October 16, 2018 at 8:17 | Unregistered CommenterNico the efficient task master
What rule is that?
October 16, 2018 at 15:18 | Registered CommenterAlan Baljeu
Thanks Mark. One other question:

Have you had to employ any tricks/tips to not wander from your list? I find it challenging to not drift from one thing to next... only realizing it's been many minutes (hours?) since I've strayed from the rules and list. One thing I've considered is timing myself, and then gauging the effectiveness of my day. In other words, I'd use a timer to measure my Simple Scanning activity, and then stop the scanner when I'm not. I'd then add up the sessions and compare/contrast throughout the week. Any thoughts on this?
October 16, 2018 at 18:29 | Registered Commenteravrum
avrum:

<< Have you had to employ any tricks/tips to not wander from your list? >>

Put plenty of enjoyable things on the list as well as work.

When you want to have a break from the list decide how long it's going to be and set a countdown timer..
October 17, 2018 at 18:55 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Thanks Mark!
October 18, 2018 at 19:09 | Registered Commenteravrum
Mark, do you often (or even always) time yourself on tasks? I have 15 and 30 minute hourglass timers at my desk that I have used on and off. I have found pros and cons to using them. Pros: I stay focused knowing that have a break coming up when they are done. Cons: If I work strictly with timed sessions, I often resist starting, or waste time when its over thinking I've deserved a "break". This seems somewhat at odds with the instruction to work on a task "for as long as you'd like". I do enjoy the flexibility of that statement, but also find that I often get distracted as well.

Also, of my 100+ items on my list, there are 2 or so that are extremely important for me to spend 90% of my day on at work. When reviewing the list for only 3-4 times each day, how is it that I can get to the these items little and often (often as in I probably need to get them 15-20 times through the day with "tiny and often" other items in between). The past few days I have found myself wasting quite a bit more time at work because my long list is a distraction at times. "Oooo...that is so small, I can just do that now. Oh, and that too. Oh, and I why not that?" Then I've spent a lot of work time doing personal items that I feel guilty for. What is the solution to this? I did find some success lately with GTD's admonition to "just trust your intuition". That is similar to SS, but the SS algorithm of scanning the entire list means that you spend time reading through the entire list and often getting distracted by other less important things that really shouldn't be worked on. I know the answer may be: just don't mark them as something to do. But then I always end up scanning a list of 100 plus items knowing I'll just be wanting to really scan the top 4 work things that are really weighing on my soul. Perhaps in this case it makes sense to have a personal list and a work list?

In my heart I believe these systems to be much user friendly than GTD. I have noticed however that I am slightly more distracted while using them the past couple of days because of the "full list scanning" that is part of the algorithm.
October 19, 2018 at 19:06 | Unregistered CommenterCameron
I'd love to see Mark's response, Cameron.

Questions: Do you have that many things because you have been ignoring them? Does finally getting to these "won't take very long" things mean your list might get shorter and soon things will be better sized? If you should spend 90% of your time on the Big One, how long can you stick with it when you get there? Suppose you put in your mind the question, what should I work on next and start scanning. Would such a headset help you skip past the chaff and get through the list to the Big One more quickly? Quickly enough?

If pondering these questions don't resolve your issue, I'll await Mark's insight to see if there's help before suggesting system changes.
October 19, 2018 at 19:41 | Registered CommenterAlan Baljeu
<< "for as long as you'd like" >>

If you decide in advance that you’d like to spend 30 minutes on a task, isn’t that “as long as you’d like”?
October 20, 2018 at 23:21 | Registered CommenterSeraphim
The issue i suppose is you decide to spend 30 minutes, then want to spend 5 doing something else and then decide to spend another 30 minutes on the main task. This work pattern doesn't always fit simple scanning easily.
October 21, 2018 at 4:00 | Registered CommenterAlan Baljeu
Cameron:

<< do you often (or even always) time yourself on tasks? I have 15 and 30 minute hourglass timers at my desk that I have used on and off. >>

Not with Simple Scanning, no. But I've often used timing with other systems and indeed have written a whole book about it - "Get Everything Done".

However the whole point of Simple Scanning is to maximize the use of your intuition, both as to what to do and how long to do it for.

<< This seems somewhat at odds with the instruction to work on a task "for as long as you'd like". I do enjoy the flexibility of that statement, but also find that I often get distracted as well. >>

Distraction is a sign that you're not doing the right thing, or not doing the right thing any longer. Move on.

<< Also, of my 100+ items on my list, there are 2 or so that are extremely important for me to spend 90% of my day on at work. When reviewing the list for only 3-4 times each day, how is it that I can get to the these items little and often (often as in I probably need to get them 15-20 times through the day with "tiny and often" other items in between). >>

That question makes me wonder whether you're doing the system right. There should be no problem doing a large task multiple times during one pass of the list. You keep re-entering it and then picking it up again.

<< the SS algorithm of scanning the entire list means that you spend time reading through the entire list >>

No, it doesn't. The Simple Scanning algorithm is fast precisely because you only need to read the bit of the list between the task you have just finished and the next task you select. Are you sure you're doing it right? Have another read of the rules.

<< I know the answer may be: just don't mark them as something to do. But then I always end up scanning a list of 100 plus items knowing I'll just be wanting to really scan the top 4 work things that are really weighing on my soul. Perhaps in this case it makes sense to have a personal list and a work list? >>

It may make sense to have a personal list and a work list. I don't know - it depends on your circumstances. But that's not really what you are describing.

If you want to spend concentrated time on four major projects, just make sure you select them every time you come to them. You will then spend your time rotating between them for the rest of the day. The 100 plus tasks on the rest of the list won't get in the way at all. And you'll still be able to include anything urgent that comes up. In other words Simple Scanning is ideally suited to the scenario you've just described.
October 21, 2018 at 10:46 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Seraphim:

<< If you decide in advance that you’d like to spend 30 minutes on a task, isn’t that “as long as you’d like”? >>

Not within the meaning of the act, no. In Simple Scanning you should work on something for as long as you [continue to] feel like it.
October 21, 2018 at 10:54 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Thank you Mark and all others for your comments. I have had a little more success with the list today. I still have some questions. Forgive me if you'd already answered these on other blogs.

<<Distraction is a sign that you're not doing the right thing, or not doing the right thing any longer. Move on.>>

The distraction comes in wanting to do one of the "personal item"--which constitutes the majority of my list--at work. Sure I can do it, but that's not what I'm being paid to do. (Writing this response while at work...case in point).

<<That question makes me wonder whether you're doing the system right. There should be no problem doing a large task multiple times during one pass of the list. You keep re-entering it and then picking it up again.>>

True, except in one situation for me, which occurs often: I'll often work on the last item of the list because it is something that I just wrote down seconds before and want to now do right now.

Example list:
(A lot of items at the start)
Big project
Research family activity
Clean desk
Empty email inbox

I decide I've worked on the big project long enough:
-----Big-project----- (crossed-out)
Research family activity
Clean desk
Empty email inbox
Big project

Now I want to take a break and go for a walk and get hot chocolate:
-----Big-project----- (crossed-out)
Research family activity
Clean desk
Empty email inbox
Big project
Take break

I decide to take the break, which is at the end. I now circle back around to the start when I return from my break, and scan the entire list again. I really just need to get back to Big project, but in scanning the big list again, I start doing smaller personal things while at work. Maybe, I need to write down "take break" first, then cross out Big Project and rewrite so that it comes after the thing that I just decided I want to do right now?

I have other questions, but it is time to go home. In the spirit of little and often, I'll ask more later. Thanks so much for your help. These aren't criticisms. I see that this has huge potential for me and just want to learn the mechanics of it and understand my challenges while working the algorithm.
October 25, 2018 at 0:18 | Unregistered CommenterCameron
I should have added in my last post: The situation I described--thinking of something I want to do now, writing it down at the end, then working on it--happens many, many times through the day. Because of this, I am reviewing my list some 20-25 times per day. This isn't inherently a bad thing, except that I am presented 20-25 times during the work day with small personal items that I finally say "okay, I just want to do that right now and get it over with". I should just probably wait until I get home to work on it. I'm not talking a TON of work time, but perhaps 30-45 minutes cumulative during the work day. That can add up to a lot of lost time at work doing things that I know I ought not to do each month and year.

Some of my other questions:
1. Do you take non-actionable notes in your notepad also? If so, how does this fit in? If not, I guess you take meeting notes in a separate notepad (ug...two notebooks). Yesterday I took notes into my long list and then put an action to process notes and move them to a central note repository. When that occurs, I planned to cross out the notes. Is that how you do it?
2. When you work on the last item on the list, do you cross it out and write it again at the end of the list, directly under itself?
October 25, 2018 at 15:14 | Unregistered CommenterCameron
@Cameron: "I decide to take the break, which is at the end. I now circle back around to the start when I return from my break, and scan the entire list again. I really just need to get back to Big project, but in scanning the big list again, I start doing smaller personal things while at work."

That's your intuition talking to go to your "Big Project" right away, and you should follow it.

Think of it this way: skipping all those items to get to your Big Project at the end of your list can still be considered "scanning the list." As Mark said, "The Simple Scanning algorithm is fast precisely because you only need to read the bit of the list between the task you have just finished and the next task you select.

Also, note what Mark also said above: "Put plenty of enjoyable things on the list as well as work."
October 25, 2018 at 16:22 | Registered Commenternuntym
Yes, I take non-actionable notes in my notebook. I don't even wait for the right book -- the right book is the one that one I trust that is easy to use right then. Reguarly reviewing all my books. (Home/master ; Meeting ; Tiny Purse ; Work) is a small price to pay for not forgetting things, and I use symbols to make that review very fast.

Very roughly, if the page is mostly notes, then I put a circle beside any action item. A square beside any action item for during the meeting (often "clarify" or "schedule sub-group"). If the page is mostly a list, it's easier put a box around reference notes than to put a circle on each line. If the page is mostly one project and the note is about something else, it goes in the margin or gets a big star. Other people divide pages top/bottom or left/right, for notes vs action. Experiment. Different methods might work best in different settings. I take notes differently as meeting chair (lots of squares), meeting secretary (squares and more direct quotes), committee head (circles and squares) or general member (mind wandering).

Small Tasks

If they're personal tasks that have to be done during working hours, clock out. That's the ethical thing to do. It also keeps you focused so you spend less time on them.

I often use small tasks as transition, or warm-up, or for breaks. Again, only work tasks while on the work clock. I specifically say, "I will do A and B" or "I will do them for 5 minutes, then get coffee, and back to main project." That way they don't expand. If too many build up, I'll take 30 minutes and do a bunch of them.

If the small tasks are distracting you, then, yes, get them out of sight. Move them to a mosquito list, and write Mosquitoes on the main. Or move your big projects, if that's faster. SuperFocus had two columns on each page, one for the main list, and one for projects you wanted to hit often. It had quite a long run here.

If you keep putting off a large task, check to see if it's S.T.R.E.S.S. (acronym for common reasons why we put things off)
http://markforster.squarespace.com/forum/post/2674568

Also, see my comments on Dopamine.
http://markforster.squarespace.com/forum/post/2721471

Or try Just Get Out the Folder -- a favourite here.
October 25, 2018 at 19:37 | Registered CommenterCricket
Some interesting theory and rationalisation related to scanning: http://www.moneyonthemind.org/post/are-you-experiencing-fobo
May 27, 2021 at 11:56 | Unregistered Commentermichael
I think FOBO must be my middle name. I blame Alan Lakein and his Lakein question - "What is the best use of my time right now?" - an impossible question to answer, and its unanswerability has always led to a paralysing feeling of FOBO, even though I read it 20+ years ago.

Luckliy there is Colley's rule:

http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2007/2/5/the-resistance-principle-and-colleys-rule.html

Ironically this led Mark to create FV, not simple scanning, if I remember rightly.
May 27, 2021 at 12:45 | Unregistered CommenterIanS
michael and Ian S:

The interesting thing for me in the Post quoted by michael is the link to the Endowment Effect. That once you have chosen something it becomes yours and you start to love it.
May 27, 2021 at 13:09 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Mark's reply to Seraphim:

<< Without those two rules, is Autofocus any different than a simple open list? >>

With an open list you would normally scan from one end of the list to the other, doing any tasks which stood out on the way.

With Autofocus you go to one page at a time and circulate round the page until there are no more tasks you want to do on it for the time being Then you move on to the next page.

It does seem to make quite a difference - for me anyway.

-------------
This was written before Simple Scanning was a thing!
Interesting thing is Mark argues for AF.

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I'm posting this because I tried FVP for a day, found it incredibly slow for me, and my priorities/ mood changes immediately after I get on the last 'dotted' task. So, went back to SS. It's been 2 weeks since with it.

And I'm purposefully waiting for the 'task' to arrive at the level of being 'actioned'.

This post itself is a result of my 'clearing notes' task. But I found this comment above that I saved, so wanted to share.

So now back to clearing notes... :)
November 28, 2021 at 15:24 | Unregistered CommenterSathya
Sathya:

I can't find the text you quoted on this page. Could you give some indication of where it is?
November 28, 2021 at 17:32 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
I also couldn't place it where I found it.
I just copied and pasted this quote in my notes.
Sorry :)

I was searching for SuperFocus
Maybe it is from some forum discussion.
But I really couldn't place where I found it.

I was browsing thru a lot of content some times back.
And suddenly stopped, because SS is going on smoothly!
November 29, 2021 at 10:28 | Unregistered CommenterSathya
November 29, 2021 at 10:32 | Unregistered CommenterSathya
I came across this blog thread in the Latest Comments section of the home page. It's only just occurred to me that I'm missing a lot of comments in the Blog because, unlike in General Forum where the newest comments push the thread to the top of the list, the blog threads always show in descending date order. After all these years I've only realised this now - I have some catching up to do!
December 1, 2021 at 11:33 | Unregistered CommenterMargaret1
Yes, Margaret, sometimes I forget this too.

So I'm re-reading through some of my comments from three(!) years ago and realizing that I had a lot to learn in how to use SS. I've been using it off and on since then and find it to be one of the best systems I've tried. Applying the principle of "if it needs to be done now, do it now" is what I was often missing.

I often find myself cycling back and forth between GTD and SS. I find I have an itch for organization in my lists, which pulls me to GTD. After spending some time with GTD, I realize that my lists are nice and organized into "contexts" (i.e. smaller separate lists) and next actions but I just don't review them as often. If I can keep reminding myself that organizing tasks doesn't provide much return on the investment, then I think I can stick with SS for much longer, maybe even for years. Any tricks you've found Mark to let go of the organizing itch? Do you find some motivation in counting up the number of actioned tasks each day? I wonder if I could present my subconscious mind with objective evidence that I get more done with SS, I'd be more likely to ignore the itch.
December 1, 2021 at 15:52 | Unregistered CommenterCameron
Margaret:

You can subscribe to the comments so they are sent to you by email as they occur.
December 1, 2021 at 18:57 | Registered CommenterMark Forster
Thanks Cameron, glad I'm not the only one.

I like Simple Scanning and Autofocus, and also Seraphim's Serial No-List; they all have a similar feel. I've never been drawn to trying the Dave Allen GTD (I think that's what you're referring to) because I'm already far too prone to getting lost in planning rather than doing - I feel I'm pretty good at planning, but hopeless at following that up with action, and I fear getting involved in GTD would pull me down an endless rabbit-hole. However, I feel SS, AF and SNL lists get too 'busy' with a jumble of unsorted tasks, and I end up trying to find a half-way house whereby I re-sort the tasks into areas to try to sort the wheat from the chaff. Sometimes this takes the form of putting general areas on my long list and having a side-list of tasks within that area (e.g. instead of individual items covering all the things that pop into mind that I want to look up online, I put Web Search on the long list, then keep a separate sidelist.)

Thanks for the e-mail suggestion, Mark, but rather than getting e-mails (of which I already have quite enough), I'll now make the Latest Comments section part of my visit to your website.
December 4, 2021 at 9:48 | Unregistered CommenterMargaret1

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